Nine more missed field goal attempt titles Two more easy rings One more MVP vs LeBron’s stolen MVPs 3 stealing titles against people who couldn’t dribble with both hands + hand check 4 more defensive teams in the guard category vs LeBron in the forward category
Like I said this debate is tiring. I am not going to change your mind and you aren't changing mine so let's agree to disagree and move on. Go Chiefs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush:
The Bulls and Warriors were great teams almost entirely built via the draft, as opposed to established stars agreeing to go to the same team at the same time. Huge difference.
It's certainly a lot easier drafting a top 50 player of all time to your team in Scottie Pippen instead of having to carry teams with Mo Williams and Larry Hughes as the #2 guys.
Also, it should probably be pointed out here that basketball HOFers Dennis Rodman and Toni Kukoc didn't come through the draft. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Like I said this debate is tiring. I am not going to change your mind and you aren't changing mine so let's agree to disagree and move on. Go Chiefs.
KCC can't accept this, because he knows that he's in the minority. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
KCC can't accept this, because he knows that he's in the minority.
I can accept it just fine that people here are using the same faulty rings logic to argue for MJ that they are ironically going to be forced to argue against in a few years with respect to Mahomes. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Using MVPs as an argument when LeBron should have won about 10 of them is probably even more faulty logic than the rings stuff, I'd agree.
Ok so take those out:
Nine more scoring titles.
Two more rings
Two more Finals MVPs
One more DPOY award
3 more Steals titles
Four more NBA All-Defensive First Teams
Still a HOF career gap. Sorry. Jordan did more with less.
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
I can accept it just fine that people here are using the same faulty rings logic to argue for MJ that they are ironically going to be forced to argue against in a few years with respect to Mahomes.
Many of us have already said/agreed that it's not just about the rings.
It's about the context and the dominance. It's about the eye test.
But pretending the rings don't matter and are irrelevant is laughable. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
It's certainly a lot easier drafting a top 50 player of all time to your team in Scottie Pippen instead of having to carry teams with Mo Williams and Larry Hughes as the #2 guys.
Also, it should probably be pointed out here that basketball HOFers Dennis Rodman and Toni Kukoc didn't come through the draft.
MJ won three rings without Rodman, and Kukoc is in the HOF for what he did in Europe. Jordan made Pippen what he was. [Reply]
Originally Posted by New World Order:
Just take the L here KCC and enjoy his scoring achievement :-)
Take the L over MJ fans desperately grasping at straws using rings logic and debatable peak levels to argue that LeBron's career wasn't better than MJ's? Nah. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Many of us have already said/agreed that it's not just about the rings.
It's about the context and the dominance. It's about the eye test.
But pretending the rings don't matter and are irrelevant is laughable.
The MJ argument over LeBron at this point is akin to saying that Patrick Mahomes is the GOAT in the NFL because his 5 year peak right now is the best of all time. I'm the biggest Mahomes' backer there is, but that's a silly argument. Longevity matters in the GOAT discussion. It matters a lot.
And LeBron's quality in combination with his ridiculous longevity is unmatched by anybody that has ever played the game. It's not even close. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
The MJ argument over LeBron at this point is akin to saying that Patrick Mahomes is the GOAT in the NFL because his 5 year peak right now is the best of all time. I'm the biggest Mahomes' backer there is, but that's a silly argument. Longevity matters in the GOAT discussion. It matters a lot.
And LeBron's quality in combination with his ridiculous longevity is unmatched by anybody that has ever played the game. It's not even close.
If Mahomes had more championships (among other things) than Brady in that time span, it wouldn't be a silly argument you fucking reerun.
