Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Who said it was a knock on MJ? It's just an enormous plus on LeBron. He faced massive adversity and got through it in a way that MJ never had to do in any of those title runs.
Because he was SO dominant.
6 titles, 2 3 peats, with zero game 7s.
Again, these are some seriously mental gymnastics to try to downplay MJ's greatness, regardless of your claim that you aren't trying to knock him. [Reply]
"Historically, I don't think the LeBron-Jordan GOAT discussion is going to be a debate. ... At 20 years old, LeBron was better. At 38 years, LeBron is far better. I'll take LeBron's prime of 9 Finals in 10 years, w/ 4 titles & 4 Finals MVPs over MJ's prime." — @getnickwrightpic.twitter.com/dqZJkGhedE
Nine more scoring titles. Two more rings Two more Finals MVPs One more regular season MVP One more DPOY award 3 more Steals titles Four more NBA All-Defensive First Teams
There is a Hall of Fame career gap between MJ and LeBron. MJ’s prime was six titles/six FMVPs in 8 years.
The MJ-Lebron GOAT debate is tiring. I will say this Lebron is #2 All Time and is on the Mount Rushmore of best NBA players for sure. His legacy will always be tainted by that Mavs Finals when he no showed and lost to an inferior opponent. The last 3 games of that series he scored 8 (-6), 17 (-11), and 21 (-24). [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Top reply is Nick Wright getting owned:
Nine more scoring titles. Two more rings Two more Finals MVPs One more regular season MVP One more DPOY award 3 more Steals titles Four more NBA All-Defensive First Teams
There is a Hall of Fame career gap between MJ and LeBron. MJ’s prime was six titles/six FMVPs in 8 years.
It's a damn shame he took two years off. The Bulls would almost certainly have won 8 in a row. These guys said "Eight-peat" for a laugh, but it could've actually happened.
The Lakers, Jazz and Timberwolves are in discussions on a three-team deal that would send D’Angelo Russell to the Lakers, Russell Westbrook and draft compensation such as a first-round pick to Utah and Mike Conley Jr. to Minnesota, sources tell me and @Tjonesonthenba.
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
The MJ-Lebron GOAT debate is tiring. I will say this Lebron is #2 All Time and is on the Mount Rushmore of best NBA players for sure. His legacy will always be tainted by that Mavs Finals when he no showed and lost to an inferior opponent. The last 3 games of that series he scored 8 (-6), 17 (-11), and 21 (-24).
Those Pistons teams were among the best ever, and they were allowed to play a style of defense that would spark outrage from the ACLU today. Jordan didn't assemble a superteam to overcome them, either. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Top reply is Nick Wright getting owned:
Nine more scoring titles. Two more rings Two more Finals MVPs One more regular season MVP One more DPOY award 3 more Steals titles Four more NBA All-Defensive First Teams
There is a Hall of Fame career gap between MJ and LeBron. MJ’s prime was six titles/six FMVPs in 8 years.
Nine more missed field goal attempt titles Two more easy rings One more MVP vs LeBron’s stolen MVPs 3 stealing titles against people who couldn’t dribble with both hands + hand check 4 more defensive teams in the guard category vs LeBron in the forward category
The Lakers, Jazz and Timberwolves are in discussions on a three-team deal that would send D’Angelo Russell to the Lakers, Russell Westbrook and draft compensation such as a first-round pick to Utah and Mike Conley Jr. to Minnesota, sources tell me and @Tjonesonthenba.
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
He had one bad series 13 years ago, which is literally the only negative thing anybody can say about his career anymore. But of course MJ gets a pass for his poor performance against the Pistons in the latter stages of the 1989 Conference Finals (see https://www.basketball-reference.com...905290CHI.html and https://www.basketball-reference.com...905310DET.html) simply because it came a round earlier. Make it make sense.
Do we need to remind you that Lebron quit against the Celtics because they were owning him so he went to Miami right after? MJ went through the trials and once he got to the Finals never had a Lebron Mavs type series. [Reply]
Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush:
Those Pistons teams were among the best ever, and they were allowed to play a style of defense that would spark outrage from the ACLU today.
The Pistons were good, there's no arguing that. But it's pretty obvious LeBron is being held to a different standard here than MJ if we're picking at one bad playoff series in a twenty year career to somehow bring him down a peg.
Originally Posted by :
Jordan didn't assemble a superteam to overcome them, either.
No, he just waited until they got old and Scottie Pippen got better instead.
Also, 1990s Bulls on weren't a super team now? With the KD Warriors, they're the best team in NBA history. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Do we need to remind you that Lebron quit against the Celtics because they were owning him so he went to Miami right after?
Roster
No. Player Pos Ht Wt Birth Date Exp College
1 Daniel Gibson PG 6-2 190 February 27, 1986 us 3 Texas
14 Danny Green SG 6-6 215 June 22, 1987 us R UNC
21 J.J. Hickson PF 6-9 242 September 4, 1988 us 1 NC State
11 Zydrunas Ilgauskas C 7-3 238 June 5, 1975 lt 11
9 Cedric Jackson PG 6-3 191 March 5, 1986 us R St. John's, Cleveland State University
00 Darnell Jackson PF 6-9 253 November 7, 1985 us 1 Kansas
23 LeBron James SF 6-9 250 December 30, 1984 us 6
4 Antawn Jamison PF 6-8 223 June 12, 1976 us 11 UNC
5 Coby Karl SG 6-5 215 March 6, 1983 us 1 Boise State
15 Jamario Moon SF 6-8 205 June 13, 1980 us 2 Meridian Community College
33 Shaquille O'Neal C 7-1 325 March 6, 1972 us 17 LSU
18 Anthony Parker SG 6-6 215 June 19, 1975 us 6 Bradley
44 Leon Powe SF 6-8 240 January 22, 1984 us 3 California
3 Sebastian Telfair PG 6-0 165 June 9, 1985 us 5
17 Anderson Varejão PF 6-11 273 September 28, 1982 br 5
13 Delonte West SG 6-4 180 July 26, 1983 us 5 Saint Joseph's
31 Jawad Williams PG 6-9 218 February 19, 1983 us 1 UNC
2 Mo Williams PG 6-1 198 December 19, 1982 us 6 Alabama
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
The Pistons were good, there's no arguing that. But it's pretty obvious LeBron is being held to a different standard here than MJ if we're picking at one bad playoff series in a twenty year career to somehow bring him down a peg.
I don't even take that series into account when I state that MJ was better.
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
No, he just waited until they got old and Scottie Pippen got better instead.
The Pistons won a title the season before Chicago started their first three-peat. Scottie Pippen didn't dramatically improve in a year, but MJ did bulk up in order to withstand the Pistons' physical style of play.
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Also, 1990s Bulls on weren't a super team now? With the KD Warriors, they're the best team in NBA history.
The Bulls and Warriors were great teams almost entirely built via the draft, as opposed to established stars agreeing to go to the same team at the same time. Huge difference. [Reply]
