Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Lzen:
Pete, do you mind if I ask how are you isolating from your son? I mean, I assume you both live in the same household. Or is it like a divorce situation?
I am pretty much living in my bedroom with the door closed. If I have to come out I wear a mask. I stay away from him when I do come out. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Lzen:
Huh? Only 6 days? I thought the quarantine time was 14 days. Or am I way behind? Admittedly, I haven't been following very closely the past few months.
Edit: NM, I just needed to keep reading subsequent posts.
Okay so this is how it works. They deem you contagious for 10 days from the day your symptoms onset. My symptoms onset last Friday but I didn't get test results until Wednesday.
For my Son though there is a chance he can get infected within that 10 days so they say he needs to wait 14 days more after my day 10 to see if he has it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Lzen:
Pete, do you mind if I ask how are you isolating from your son? I mean, I assume you both live in the same household. Or is it like a divorce situation?
Health dept told us you should see no one for the 10 days. Separate bedroom and bathroom. Walking around the house will not count if that’s told to most schools and health depts. [Reply]
Originally Posted by eDave:
I've been staring at these, analyzing as best I can, and read the replies and I just don't know what this is saying.
Searches for "loss of taste and smell" in a region seem to line up pretty well with covid cases in the same region. Except Florida has that one weird bump. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Searches for "loss of taste and smell" in a region seem to line up pretty well with covid cases in the same region. Except Florida has that one weird bump.
One coworker tested positive for the Rona a few months back and no symptoms. He had to take three weeks off. Another coworker I work more closely with tested positive a few weeks back. She said she felt like she had the flu and lost taste for a few days. Otherwise everything was normal. Her significant other never had a test and never had any symptoms even though they live together. She took two weeks off.
Lots of different information out there. Everyone hoping their immune system is just like Stephen Lyon Crohn's [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
If you're going to qualify links based on a presumed political agenda, the amount of links in this thread is going to shrink to nothing.
The numbers they are using are well known to be misrepresented for political purposes though. They're using confusion over comorbidities to try and say people didn't die of covid. But that's not how death certificates work. No differently than how death certificates from cancer will also list comorbidities like pneumonia, etc. If a cancer patient fights cancer for 5 years, ends up getting pneumonia because of a weakened immune system, and dies, it will list cancer and pneumonia as causes of death. Nobody would ever say that person didn't die of cancer because pneumonia is also listed on the death cert and not just cancer. It's completely disingenuous and done for only one purpose. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Fish:
The numbers they are using are well known to be misrepresented for political purposes though. They're using confusion over comorbidities to try and say people didn't die of covid. But that's not how death certificates work. No differently than how death certificates from cancer will also list comorbidities like pneumonia, etc. If a cancer patient fights cancer for 5 years, ends up getting pneumonia because of a weakened immune system, and dies, it will list cancer and pneumonia as causes of death. Nobody would ever say that person didn't die of cancer because pneumonia is also listed on the death cert and not just cancer. It's completely disingenuous and done for only one purpose.
Other outlets are doing the same. Who gets to arbitrate what sites are "political" and what ones aren't?
This discussion is supposed to be apolitical but a big part of remaining that way is remaining impartial as well. [Reply]
Because the whole "Covid deaths are actually because of pneumonia" (which was caused by covid) argument is complete horseshit that's been debunked on this thread ad nauseam. That argument has been put forward as a political football, and that's the only reason it's ever brought up. It's nonsense to say that isn't political. OANN is just the icing on the cake. [Reply]
