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Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
I think the largest problem with that storyline is that they were only granted a week to film in the water gardens. They had a fraction of the time necessary to prep the choreography and film the dialogue they needed to, leading to what was arguably the worst fight scene in GOT history (as well as questionable camera angles and unpolished takes from Doran's scenes)
Also, every other actor gets fight training together by the same group of people, apparently these three were trained by "local hires" in the various locations that they each live. [Reply]
Originally Posted by MagicHef:
Also, every other actor gets fight training together by the same group of people, apparently these three were trained by "local hires" in the various locations that they each live.
So they showed up and said "Hold it like this and spin around. That's it!" [Reply]
Originally Posted by Swanman:
The title of the episode is Mother's Mercy. One interesting note is that in the appendix of Feast for Crows, Stoneheart is listed as having the alias "Mother Mercy". Most likely the title has to do with Cersei's walk or Selyse Baratheon and Shireen, but us dorks can dream.
Why does anyone really want to see Stoneheart back?
Terrible addition to the book. She does nothing to advance the story at all. She's another example of Martin simply losing a handle on the book, IMO. [Reply]
Originally Posted by MagicHef:
So, in the interest of reviving new possibilities of being let down...
-The last episode of this season is titled "Mother's Mercy".
-Lena Headey's infamous instagram post apparently occurred shortly after the cast received season 5's scripts.
-All of the explanations from the producers, etc. as to why LSH wasn't in season 4 basically boil down to: "She was never planned to be in this season."
Isn't The Mother one of the seven gods? I'm pretty sure I've heard that phrase used before in terms of repenting for a sin anyway. If that's the case, it's just talking about Cersei. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Isn't The Mother one of the seven gods? I'm pretty sure I've heard that phrase used before in terms of repenting for a sin anyway. If that's the case, it's just talking about Cersei.
Oh, hey there DaFace. I see you brought your pin today. Have fun bursting everyone's balloons.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Why does anyone really want to see Stoneheart back?
Terrible addition to the book. She does nothing to advance the story at all. She's another example of Martin simply losing a handle on the book, IMO.
I so agree. It's bizarre. People absolutely love the parts of the books that I find to be ridiculous and poor writing. I guess it shows that GRRM was basing his decisions with plot and characterization on things that he (and other people) like. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Isn't The Mother one of the seven gods? I'm pretty sure I've heard that phrase used before in terms of repenting for a sin anyway. If that's the case, it's just talking about Cersei.
I think Mother's Mercy applies to:
Shireen & Selsye
Cerse and The Faith
Dany and Mereen
Arya and Meryn (think they're including the recently published chapter). [Reply]
Originally Posted by Radar Chief:
Anyone else think it's time for a tit off?
Between Dany and Tyene, who has the better set?
Maybe someone should start a poll. Heh.
I'll do a bracket in the pictures forum. It will be grand. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Isn't The Mother one of the seven gods? I'm pretty sure I've heard that phrase used before in terms of repenting for a sin anyway. If that's the case, it's just talking about Cersei.
Yes, but their episode titles typically have multiple meanings, and one of UnCat's names in the books is "Mother Mercy". [Reply]
Originally Posted by NewChief:
I so agree. It's bizarre. People absolutely love the parts of the books that I find to be ridiculous and poor writing. I guess it shows that GRRM was basing his decisions with plot and characterization on things that he (and other people) like.
I'm no literary savant, what is it about the Stoneheart storyline that is poor writing? I personally love how her personality shift isn't as big as it seems and can be explained simply by her believing that her entire family is dead.
At first glance, she seems to be an entirely different character when she rises, but the difference between protective mother and murderous monster for her is simply having a family to protect.
Originally Posted by MagicHef:
I'm no literary savant, what is it about the Stoneheart storyline that is poor writing? I personally love how her personality shift isn't as big as it seems and can be explained simply by her believing that her entire family is dead.
At first glance, she seems to be an entirely different character when she rises, but the difference between protective mother and murderous monster for her is simply having a family to protect.
IMO, of course.
I guess, to me, it just reads as GRRM having second thoughts about killing off all those characters at the Red Wedding, so he found a way to bring one back. But the one he brings back isn't really anything like she was before, even though all the previous resurrected characters we've seen resurrected by a Red Priest have basically been the same, personality wise.
On top of that, as someone else said, it spins off another subplot that doesn't really seem to be moving toward anything and just complicates the story, and that's happening at the time in the series when the author needs to be bringing things in tighter and toward a conclusion.
I think that's my main complaint with a LOT of it, though. When (to me) it feels like he needs to be tightening things up, instead he's just spinning off new plot threads left and right. [Reply]
