The #Cybertruck, Tesla’s all-new electric pickup truck, is here, and it can take a sledgehammer to the door while nary a dent. The all-electric pickup will offer up to 500 miles of range and start at $39,000. https://t.co/7a8YBicIkC
Originally Posted by DaFace:
You're uninformed on this. You can find all sorts of information if you care to look for it, but here's one that took 5 seconds of Googling to find. While manufacturing processes do create environmental impacts (which is true of any product), the only way an EV will ever be worse for the environment than a gas vehicle is if you just ignore tailpipe emissions entirely (and even then, EVs aren't MUCH worse than gas vehicles).
On top of that, EVs get cleaner over time. On the manufacturing side, that's due to better efficiencies and innovation. (Remember that EVs are really still in their infancy, so manufacturing is improving rapidly.) On the use side, it's also being driven by the fact that the power grid is rapidly getting cleaner due to more wind, solar, etc. being added.
So in short, the argument that EVs are worse for the environment has always been BS, but it's becoming even more BS as time goes on.
After reading several articles including the one you posted it seems like they are a push at best at this point but that they could get better. When you figure in the smelting of the batteries and the mining and other procedures to get these rare minerals to make these batteries and other products it is not so much a wash.
They could also improve on the ICE and make it much better as well. We have seen that this has been done and more could be done as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Cost of ownership is way way less on a Tesla than a ICE. I have both. Trust me. Look up Tesla Loop study. The cost of ownership and maintenance required was very little.
Other than when you have to replace the batteries which is about $10k or the performance module which is $3k. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RedRaider56:
In Georgetown, Texas they've made a huge investment, with Government assistance, in Solar power and their electric rates actually went UP!
I don’t know shit about solar, it may be the thing that works? Wind damn sure ain’t the answer they are wore out by the time they’ve paid for them selfs. If you have drove by any wind farms you will notice quite a few not in operation and it’s not because the winds not blowing they are shut down for service. [Reply]
I like Teslas, my problem with them is they aren't really all that fun to drive. I've driven a Model S and a Model 3 and while the initial acceleration is cool because it launches you like a rocket, there's no real driving experience to them. Which is fine I guess, they aren't really meant to be performance/sports cars(never driven the old Roadster, maybe that one is more fun to drive IDK). I just prefer driving my V8/manual Mustang, it's way more fun. Teslas seem to be a car to get where you are going as economically as possible, which is not the only reason why I drive, I drive because I like the act of driving.
It'd be really neat if they ever came out with a manual transmission model Tesla, but that seems to be against the vision of the company so I don't see that happening. [Reply]
Originally Posted by R Clark:
I don’t know shit about solar, it may be the thing that works? Wind damn sure ain’t the answer they are wore out by the time they’ve paid for them selfs. If you have drove by any wind farms you will notice quite a few not in operation and it’s not because the winds not blowing they are shut down for service.
Yeah, I realize that wind turbines are not the answer. without government subsidies, they payback on them is god awful and like you said, they break down all the time. My wife's cousin, who was a trained AF F-16 mechanic, now does maintenance on those turbines. She is on the road all the dang time repairing/maintaining those things. [Reply]
Originally Posted by backinblack:
Kia's have been great cars in recent years. They've come a long way from the crap they built 15-20 years ago. Dodge, yeah that's a bit of a surprise.
My brother bought a Kia Stinger a few months ago. It is a nice and fast car.
Originally Posted by RedRaider56:
Yeah, I realize that wind turbines are not the answer. without government subsidies, they payback on them is god awful and like you said, they break down all the time. My wife's cousin, who was a trained AF F-16 mechanic, now does maintenance on those turbines. She is on the road all the dang time repairing/maintaining those things.
That is one job I would not want. Not a fan of having to work 400 feet in the air. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RedRaider56:
Don't Californians already have some of the highest electric rates in the country? i think they pay the 7th highest rate in the country due to all the stupid regulations the state puts on to ensure electric utilities get a minimum amount of $$ for electricity use.
P.S the cybertruck is ugly AF.
Right but if they lose the revenue from fossil fuels they’ll have to offset it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by R Clark:
Yeah you really think electricity is going to stay cheap ? California already has brown outs in summer time. Or how bout when the wind starts blowing and they half to shut down so it doesn’t burn up? Oh yeah how we going to make all this cheap electricity? They don’t want nukes and coal is to dirty .I don’t get it windmills and solar panels ain’t going to cut it
CA hasn't had rolling brown outs since Enron. Maybe every now and then an area goes down. But nothing systematic like when Enron was gaming the system. [Reply]
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