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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Discuss Thrower 10:26 AM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by mac459:
Kids being depressed also isn’t just or only from shitty home environment. So to completely dismiss that is just as ignorant as thinking it’s also up to the school to fix that depression.

There is a middle area to that mental aspect, not a one way or other like you are painting it.
That doesn't serve the agenda, so no.
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O.city 10:31 AM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by Fish:
So.... address child abuse by sending them to school?
Vast majority of reporting on potential abuse comes from teachers
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DaFace 10:48 AM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Thats interesting info.
Yeah, it's one of the bigger misconceptions that people have had. It's discussed in this Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_e...imum_life_span

Originally Posted by :
Life expectancy differs from maximum life span. Life expectancy is an average for all people in the population — including those who die shortly after birth, those who die in early adulthood (e.g. childbirth, war), and those who live unimpeded until old age. Maximum lifespan is an individual-specific concept — maximum lifespan is therefore an upper bound rather than an average. Science author Christopher Wanjek said "has the human race increased its life span? Not at all. This is one of the biggest misconceptions about old age." The maximum life span, or oldest age a human can live, may be constant. Further, there are many examples of people living significantly longer than the average life expectancy of their time period, such as Socrates, Saint Anthony, Michelangelo, and Benjamin Franklin.
Again, that's not to say that people aren't living longer - they definitely are. It's just that we have this perception that everyone walking around back in the age of the Romans was like 25 years old (since that's the average), but the reality is that most healthy adults lived until their 50s, and many lived well into their 70s or longer.
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O.city 10:56 AM 07-31-2020
Ventilation is a big thing we’re missing imo. Air filtration inside and such. Seems like such an easy solution
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Donger 11:30 AM 07-31-2020
I was thinking about herd immunity, and the numbers required to get there (in theory).

Would the figure to look at be the number of recovered cases? I wouldn't think it would be total cases.

And then, figure the x 10?

Plus natural immunity? I'm not sure how that would be estimated.
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SAUTO 11:43 AM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
There's so many people keeping track of the numbers you're probably going to get a number each place you look.

I keep an eye on the overall Missouri numbers but have very much stayed focused on our local numbers in particular. I know they're up to date at least.

Just looking at the % positive and how much it has raised in the past week or two tells you there is a big problem somewhere.
well the state had 2084 and the county health depts had 1712...
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suzzer99 12:12 PM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED:
That’s nice and all but for school age children it’s not even close to a 1 in 500 risk. Scientifically we’ve seen very few outliers of school age children being affected by this virus. The vaccines NNH numbers would have to be identically non-existent like the threat of the virus in that age and the research would have to be proven over at least 5-10 years before making it mandatory for children to receive the vaccine. Any parent who would just sign there kids up for a vaccine in the next couple years is obviously not doing their own research on the matter.
1 in 500 risk of what? It's much less than that of dying for a kid, but of spreading it to other people - including kids or teachers who are immunocompromised is a different story.

-*Out of 597 campers & staff, 344 were tested and 76% of those tests were positive

-26% positives report no symptoms

-Bottom line from @CDCgov: Children of *all* ages are susceptible to #SARSCOV2 & "might play an important role in transmission"

Paper online soon & here (2/2) pic.twitter.com/MsV7HfSU1F

— Amy Maxmen (@amymaxmen) July 31, 2020


What happens if half the parents refuse to vaccinate? You run the risk of stuff like this everywhere.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...ovid-outbreak/

Originally Posted by :
According to the report released Friday, the outbreak at the camp identified only as “Camp A” suggests children “might play an important role in transmission.”

“These findings demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 spread efficiently in a youth-centric overnight setting, resulting in high attack rates among people in all age groups, despite efforts by camp officials to implement most recommended strategies to prevent transmission,” the report said.

“Asymptomatic infection was common and potentially contributed to undetected transmission, as has been previously reported. This investigation adds to the body of evidence demonstrating that children of all ages are susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection.”

Of those who became infected, 231 were aged 17 or younger; the remaining 29 were adults.

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O.city 12:35 PM 07-31-2020
That sucks

But also kinda points to the possibility of some kind of immunity.
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mr. tegu 01:14 PM 07-31-2020
Parents are going to refuse to vaccinate and it’s not necessarily about being anti-vaxxer so everyone better just get used to it.
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TLO 01:39 PM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by SAUTO:
well the state had 2084 and the county health depts had 1712...
1,489 from the state today. Somewhat of an improvement?
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suzzer99 01:53 PM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
Parents are going to refuse to vaccinate and it’s not necessarily about being anti-vaxxer so everyone better just get used to it.
Sure, but don't be surprised when they won't let unvaccinated kids into school, and a lot of countries won't let you in w/o vaccination papers.

I predict a lot of people throwing fits about that first one.
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BigCatDaddy 02:06 PM 07-31-2020
I know Donger will do as commanded. Who else?
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Marcellus 02:06 PM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
I know Donger will do as commanded. Who else?
:-)
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dirk digler 02:12 PM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
1 in 500 risk of what? It's much less than that of dying for a kid, but of spreading it to other people - including kids or teachers who are immunocompromised is a different story.



What happens if half the parents refuse to vaccinate? You run the risk of stuff like this everywhere.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...ovid-outbreak/
That example along with the SK study should give pause to school administrators and parents about going back to in person school.
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POND_OF_RED 02:17 PM 07-31-2020
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Sure, but don't be surprised when they won't let unvaccinated kids into school, and a lot of countries won't let you in w/o vaccination papers.

I predict a lot of people throwing fits about that first one.
The children are primarily showing no symptoms whatsoever so it is therefore no danger to them. I understand your want to get every kid vaccinated and I realize that’s the only way you know how to make one mandatory because it’s the only way we’ve done it through history, but the facts are that many parents will and should have issues with using their children as any sort of guinea pigs to the virus when all of the scientific data collected points to them being unaffected by the virus.

It’s simple science. Make the vaccine mandatory for nursing home admittance or even more controversially to draw Medicare. Then when you have several years of research to prove that the NNH is somehow even smaller than the current minuscule risk in children you can have them start taking a vaccine if it is the only way to reach a herd immunity. You don’t just start with mandatory vaccinations in school because that’s the only way you know how it’s been done before. It just doesn’t make since with what we know about the virus.
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