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Asshai pretty weird and mysterious. Sounds like it's a magical place full of warlocks and witches. I'm not sure we'd ever get an answer to that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by underEJ:
Wow. I hadn't gone over to asoiaf.westeros.org for years, but someone sent me a link to a thread so I've been catching up a bit with the serious book folks. I had no idea there was such a hatred of the show. When it started, I figured some readers might dismiss it fairly soon if it didn't match their vision, but seriously, they are downright ridiculous. Pure seething hatred of the show runners as if they were actually trying to ruin GRRM and his legacy.
Stupid. I'm the exact opposite. I'm thankful for the show creators who are actually going to be able to deliver on the storyline, which I don't think GRRM will. If it weren't for them, we'd be facing an incomplete story.
I also think they've done a great job of trimming the fat and moving things along, while GRRM has just gotten more plodding and purposeless as the books have progressed. He REALLY doesn't seem like he knows how to get to where he wants to go with the books. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Asshai pretty weird and mysterious. Sounds like it's a magical place full of warlocks and witches. I'm not sure we'd ever get an answer to that.
I wonder that the Long Night is a much bigger/different deal than just the Others, and they basically just took advantage of it the first time around, and are looking to do the same this time.
Azor Ahai dealt with (or caused) the first Long Night, but didn't have anything to do with the Others. The new Azor Ahai will deal with (or cause) this new Long Night, which will have an enemy much more dire than the Others. [Reply]
Originally Posted by MagicHef:
I wonder that the Long Night is a much bigger/different deal than just the Others, and they basically just took advantage of it the first time around, and are looking to do the same this time.
Azor Ahai dealt with (or caused) the first Long Night, but didn't have anything to do with the Others. The new Azor Ahai will deal with (or cause) this new Long Night, which will have an enemy much more dire than the Others.
Sounds like you know a lot more about all that than I do.
I thought Azor Ahai was the champion who dealt with the Others during the first Long Night. And I thought that the Others were synonymous with White Walkers? [Reply]
Originally Posted by NewChief:
Stupid. I'm the exact opposite. I'm thankful for the show creators who are actually going to be able to deliver on the storyline, which I don't think GRRM will. If it weren't for them, we'd be facing an incomplete story.
I also think they've done a great job of trimming the fat and moving things along, while GRRM has just gotten more plodding and purposeless as the books have progressed. He REALLY doesn't seem like he knows how to get to where he wants to go with the books.
The Arya storyline this season seemed like a "**** it. This doesn't make sense but we're going forward" sort of move. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Sounds like you know a lot more about all that than I do.
I thought Azor Ahai was the champion who dealt with the Others during the first Long Night. And I thought that the Others were synonymous with White Walkers?
The Last Hero sought out the Children and defeated the Others (yes, synonymous with White Walkers) during the Long Night.
Azor Ahai is a supposed good guy who "fought against the darkness". The legend is from Asshai, which has never seen an Other. Also, the legend of Azor Ahai has many similarities to other legends from other cultures that decidedly do not sound like good guys (The Bloodstone Emporer, Hyrkoon the Hero, Yin Tar, Neferion, and Eldric Shadowchaser). [Reply]
Originally Posted by MagicHef:
The Last Hero sought out the Children and defeated the Others (yes, synonymous with White Walkers) during the Long Night.
Azor Ahai is a supposed good guy who "fought against the darkness". The legend is from Asshai, which has never seen an Other. Also, the legend of Azor Ahai has many similarities to other legends from other cultures that decidedly do not sound like good guys (The Bloodstone Emporer, Hyrkoon the Hero, Yin Tar, Neferion, and Eldric Shadowchaser).
Noob question - How did the Long Night impact Essos? [Reply]
Originally Posted by underEJ:
Wow. I hadn't gone over to asoiaf.westeros.org for years, but someone sent me a link to a thread so I've been catching up a bit with the serious book folks. I had no idea there was such a hatred of the show. When it started, I figured some readers might dismiss it fairly soon if it didn't match their vision, but seriously, they are downright ridiculous. Pure seething hatred of the show runners as if they were actually trying to ruin GRRM and his legacy.
Why do people watch it if they hate it so much. That's what I never understood.
I have a co-worker who is a ridiculous stickler. F'n pain in the ass. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
Noob question - How did the Long Night impact Essos?
Pretty unclear. Supposedly the Bloodstone Emperor caused the Long Night when he killed his sister, the Amethyst Empress, and stole her throne. It was certainly dark and cold, and lots of people died. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Correct, the people in the room at that moment in time. But, its going to come out that he is Raheger's son at some point. My comment was about the long term view on how it ends.
He rides one of Danerys dragons, I think people will be convinced.
I think he'll have his own Dragon. It's under winterfell. [Reply]
I've been enjoying the analysis of the music during the first 20m. It struck me too at the time. First time they used piano. The use of the music in this one was astounding to me. That first 20 is perfection IMO. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Sounds like you know a lot more about all that than I do.
I thought Azor Ahai was the champion who dealt with the Others during the first Long Night. And I thought that the Others were synonymous with White Walkers?
