Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Scroll down to the breakdown by country. "Serious/Critical" cases. It doesn't include people who have died. I'm assuming that anybody who is hospitalized would be categorized as this, which means right now there are only 10 hospital beds being taken up by this disease in the U.S. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
What we are as a society is selfish and stupid... thinking that's not a good excuse.
I think the full lock down only makes sense when hospitals are at 200% capacity and it's obviously not being contained by any stretch, and I assume that's when other countries implemented such extreme measures (I haven't read those details).
Before that, an understanding of how viruses spread and reducing your chances of spreading it (meaning, if you're one of the 60-70% of people who show no symptoms) makes the most sense.
Anyone who doesn't take those precautions when they have a cold or common flu is selfish, 'freedom' or not... especially when most people can't afford getting sick and/or could spread it to their kids, etc.
I would hope that we make steps before hospitals are at 200 percent capacity. Can you imagine what that would look like?
Wow
This man is the global authority on the spread of disease. If you are a leader (in any capacity) watch this. If you are not, watch it too. pic.twitter.com/bFogaekehM
— Jim Richards Sh🎙wgram (@JIMrichards1010) March 15, 2020
Scroll down to the breakdown by country. "Serious/Critical" cases. It doesn't include people who have died. I'm assuming that anybody who is hospitalized would be categorized as this, which means right now there are only 10 hospital beds being taken up by this disease in the U.S.
This is absolutely incorrect.
Even if the number for serious or critical is correct, that doesn't represent that number of hospitalized patients. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ghak99:
Your posts make it clear you do not understand how the real world works.
You do not understand your own food supply.
I understand completely. Have you seen what is actually going on in other parts of the world? If a person does not have enough supplies and knowledge of how to make it for a couple of weeks given notice then let natural selection work I guess. [Reply]
Originally Posted by SupDock:
This is absolutely incorrect.
Even if the number for serious or critical is correct, that doesn't represent that number of hospitalized patients.
Okay, I can buy that. Still an interesting number. We are barely cracking double digits for serious/critical cases. I've been watching for a few days and the number isn't rising. [Reply]
Originally Posted by wazu:
There are only 10 serious cases of this disease in the entire United States. It's been this way for awhile, now.
I saw that too and saw it as something to be encouraged by but it hasn’t changed in a week and there have been a couple dozen deaths since. So unless mild cases are dying quickly before being moved to the Serious/Critical column (which would be worse than just not updating the Critical number IMO) this number is likely wrong. [Reply]
Originally Posted by wazu:
Okay, I can buy that. Still an interesting number. We are barely cracking double digits for serious/critical cases. I've been watching for a few days and the number isn't rising.
I definitely agree that the statistic is interesting. Who decides if it's a critical case, is it just ICU?
I am wondering how this website is accruing data as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RINGLEADER:
I saw that too and saw it as something to be encouraged by but it hasn’t changed in a week and there have been a couple dozen deaths since. So unless mild cases are dying quickly before being moved to the Serious/Critical column (which would be worse than just not updating the Critical number IMO) this number is likely wrong.
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan:
not gonna happen....maybe movie theaters would voluntarily....on the other hand with this virus, who is dumb enough to go to a movie theater? Livestock has to be fed, watered, cared for, gotta market them when appropriate....food has to get to tables
I grew up in the middle of 10,000 acres in southern Missouri. If a person has a farm they have enough feed and hay to make it through a short term shut down better than most, including for their livestock.
As far as who is dumb enough. Just look around people are still gathering in large numbers and think this is all stupid and over reaction. People can either do these kinds of things or they will make things worse.
With all the reacting that is going on do you not think the numbers of people that are willing to stay home is not going to effect those businesses, you know to the point of where they would close the business because there will not be enough customer traffic to keep the doors open. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RINGLEADER:
I saw that too and saw it as something to be encouraged by but it hasn’t changed in a week and there have been a couple dozen deaths since. So unless mild cases are dying quickly before being moved to the Serious/Critical column (which would be worse than just not updating the Critical number IMO) this number is likely wrong.
My guess is that the each day a few people move into this category, as a few others move out of this category due to death. [Reply]
Originally Posted by SupDock:
I definitely agree that the statistic is interesting. Who decides if it's a critical case, is it just ICU?
I am wondering how this website is accruing data as well.
For the most part the infected/deaths numbers have been accurate. It’s the hospitalized number that hasn’t moved for more than a week and is wrong. [Reply]
Originally Posted by gblowfish:
My friend Mr. Doggity's wife used to be the supervising nurse at KU Med's ICU. One of their KU friends sent them this: "I learned yesterday from a KU Med ER nurse, that fakers were coming in to be examined for COVID-19 and literally stole 35,000 surgical masks, while in exam rooms and robbing closets and then literally leaving the facility without being examined and tested. " If this is true, that should involve serious serious jail time if they can catch the perps.
Originally Posted by gblowfish:
My friend Mr. Doggity's wife used to be the supervising nurse at KU Med's ICU. One of their KU friends sent them this: "I learned yesterday from a KU Med ER nurse, that fakers were coming in to be examined for COVID-19 and literally stole 35,000 surgical masks, while in exam rooms and robbing closets and then literally leaving the facility without being examined and tested. " If this is true, that should involve serious serious jail time if they can catch the perps.
Well things are being done differently everywhere but here you have to telephone the medical hospital in your area and then they will review your symptoms. If they meet criteria you will be given a case number and told where to report. The testing is all being done in remote tents outside of the medical facilities. [Reply]