Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
So if that number is conservatively at 10% of the population, you'd have 30% of it immune which would potentially be enough to combat it via some herd immunity.
Especially when you consider that most people don't do a ton of cross-mingling. In general, people stay within their normal circle of social interaction. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
It doesn't matter what I would have preferred they do....the bottom line is once they lied it turned a ton of people.
And yes, I know that the lie was completely obvious and any fool could see what they were doing....but it did what it did. Enough people didn't trust the government as it was, and then they do that.
Meh, I'd guess those people were already turned.
That being said, how about just using observational skills and common sense? Hopefully, most people can employ those without being told to. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
It doesn't matter what I would have preferred they do....the bottom line is once they lied it turned a ton of people.
And yes, I know that the lie was completely obvious and any fool could see what they were doing....but it did what it did. Enough people didn't trust the government as it was, and then they do that.
Originally Posted by loochy:
It doesn't matter what I would have preferred they do....the bottom line is once they lied it turned a ton of people.
And yes, I know that the lie was completely obvious and any fool could see what they were doing....but it did what it did. Enough people didn't trust the government as it was, and then they do that.
Just don't lie or try to coddle the population.
Thats the biggest issue i have with it all. Don't treat us like children because you're afraid of what might happen. Give us the info and let the chips fall where they may. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
Especially when you consider that most people don't do a ton of cross-mingling. In general, people stay within their normal circle of social interaction.
Thats one thing it appears the models messed up. We don't actually intermingle as much as it projected once you start telling people of a pandemic. [Reply]
Originally Posted by lewdog:
That’s pretty ****ing cold.
Most of us would love to be working from home during this, but sadly we don’t have that even as an option.
Really? That's cold? You mean like how several of you constantly accuse me of not caring about old people or not caring if people die and question how many people I am "willing to kill"?
Cold like that?
That's not how it was intended and sorry if that's how you took it. But maybe now you got a taste of what I deal with from a lot of you. Then again, maybe not. Or maybe you don't care. :-)
P.S. I haven't worked from home for the last month +. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
I'll bite and pretty much know how this will play out but here goes.
They came down the curve really quickly. There's something with 20 percent serology and as we're finding out now, there's a certain amount that don't show up with serology as they knock it out with an innate response (T cells) or have some cross immunity and don't become infected.
So if that number is conservatively at 10% of the population, you'd have 30% of it immune which would potentially be enough to combat it via some herd immunity.
Yes, they did. In less than a month. Seems like a rather short time frame to acquire herd immunity. And even if that 30% speculative number is accurate, as you know, that far below what epidemiologists say is required.
I think it much more likely that saw the horrible rise in cases and deaths, slammed the doors shut, everyone masked and they are reopening with a phased approach based on numbers and data, not want. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
The idea of radiation itself or the dosage?
The effects of radiation are stochastic, meaning that there isn't a linear relationship between absorbed dose and risk. Although this fractionated dose is lower than what you'd get in radiation therapy, the long term risks are not well established, and for a disease with a comparatively low mortality, the risk of secondary malignancies shouldn't be overlooked, especially in younger patients. This was also a Phase I trial, which is a bit odd with radiation because you can't truly assess safety for years, and this information was compiled in weeks. [Reply]
Based on what I have read, one thing not discussed enough is the fact the PCR test that is utilized to detect the virus is incapable of ascertaining whether the virus is actually active and capable of transmitting or fragments of the virus that has been defeated by the immune response of the person being tested and therefore of no concern. This has led many to conclude the asymptomatic carriers are actually people that are immune to the virus and hence explains why they are not sick. It is possible we are largely keeping tallies of immune healthy people. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
I think it's better that they came clean. A lie on top of another lie is even worse.
Yep. That's why I listen to Fauci but I don't hold what he says as gospel like several do. His track record on this virus for whatever reasons has been less than stellar. He has literally had to flip-flop on every take he made and I understand that some of that is unavoidable. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Really? That's cold? You mean like how several of you constantly accuse me of not caring about old people or not caring if people die and question how many people I am "willing to kill"?
Cold like that?
That's not how it was intended and sorry if that's how you took it. But maybe now you got a taste of what I deal with from a lot of you. Then again, maybe not. Or maybe you don't care. :-)
P.S. I haven't worked from home for the last month +.
We tell you that because you refuse to have any critical thinking skills and continue to spew a lot of bullshit in here.
PS- I haven’t worked from home ever and have worked alongside positive staff and patients daily. [Reply]
