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Deberg_1990 07:06 AM 12-02-2021
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To our Fans:

I first want to thank you for your continued support of the great game of baseball. This past season, we were reminded of how the national pastime can bring us together and restore our hope despite the difficult challenges of a global pandemic. As we began to emerge from one of the darkest periods in our history, our ballparks were filled with fans; the games were filled with excitement; and millions of families felt the joy of watching baseball together.

That is why I am so disappointed about the situation in which our game finds itself today. Despite the league’s best efforts to make a deal with the Players Association, we were unable to extend our 26 year-long history of labor peace and come to an agreement with the MLBPA before the current CBA expired. Therefore, we have been forced to commence a lockout of Major League players, effective at 12:01am ET on December 2.

I want to explain to you how we got here and why we have to take this action today. Simply put, we believe that an offseason lockout is the best mechanism to protect the 2022 season. We hope that the lockout will jumpstart the negotiations and get us to an agreement that will allow the season to start on time. This defensive lockout was necessary because the Players Association’s vision for Major League Baseball would threaten the ability of most teams to be competitive. It’s simply not a viable option. From the beginning, the MLBPA has been unwilling to move from their starting position, compromise, or collaborate on solutions.

When we began negotiations over a new agreement, the Players Association already had a contract that they wouldn’t trade for any other in sports. Baseball’s players have no salary cap and are not subjected to a maximum length or dollar amount on contracts. In fact, only MLB has guaranteed contracts that run 10 or more years, and in excess of $300 million. We have not proposed anything that would change these fundamentals. While we have heard repeatedly that free agency is “broken” – in the month of November $1.7 billion was committed to free agents, smashing the prior record by nearly 4x. By the end of the offseason, Clubs will have committed more money to players than in any offseason in MLB history.

We worked hard to find compromise while making the system even better for players, by addressing concerns raised by the Players Association. We offered to establish a minimum payroll for all clubs to meet for the first time in baseball history; to allow the majority of players to reach free agency earlier through an age-based system that would eliminate any claims of service time manipulation; and to increase compensation for all young players, including increases in the minimum salary. When negotiations lacked momentum, we tried to create some by offering to accept the universal Designated Hitter, to create a new draft system using a lottery similar to other leagues, and to increase the Competitive Balance Tax threshold that affects only a small number of teams.

We have had challenges before with respect to making labor agreements and have overcome those challenges every single time during my tenure. Regrettably, it appears the Players Association came to the bargaining table with a strategy of confrontation over compromise. They never wavered from collectively the most extreme set of proposals in their history, including significant cuts to the revenue-sharing system, a weakening of the competitive balance tax, and shortening the period of time that players play for their teams. All of these changes would make our game less competitive, not more.

To be clear: this hard but important step does not necessarily mean games will be cancelled. In fact, we are taking this step now because it accelerates the urgency for an agreement with as much runway as possible to avoid doing damage to the 2022 season. Delaying this process further would only put Spring Training, Opening Day, and the rest of the season further at risk – and we cannot allow an expired agreement to again cause an in-season strike and a missed World Series, like we experienced in 1994. We all owe you, our fans, better than that.

Today is a difficult day for baseball, but as I have said all year, there is a path to a fair agreement, and we will find it. I do not doubt the League and the Players share a fundamental appreciation for this game and a commitment to its fans. I remain optimistic that both sides will seize the opportunity to work together to grow, protect, and strengthen the game we love. MLB is ready to work around the clock to meet that goal. I urge the Players Association to join us at the table.
Manfred

Read a letter from the Commissioner: https://t.co/P4gRGSlfsu pic.twitter.com/zI40uGLTni

— MLB (@MLB) December 2, 2021



Statement from the Major League Baseball Players Association: pic.twitter.com/34uIGf762W

— MLBPA Communications (@MLBPA_News) December 2, 2021

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eDave 06:32 PM 02-28-2022
Surprising amount of out-of-town baseball fans here now, considering nothing is going on. All getting smashed.
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DJJasonp 06:40 PM 02-28-2022
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Game 6 of the 2015 ALCS comes to mind.
which play?

hell, replay in MLB gets it right 90% of the time or better for bang-bang plays.

point is, there is no arbitrary nonsense call in MLB that puts the other team on the verge of scoring 7 points.
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ChiefsCountry 06:59 PM 02-28-2022
Originally Posted by BWillie:
I feel like MLB is in a unique situation. It's kind of a dying sport. It's probably one reason the players don't like what they are being offered. As popularity wanes, so does resources and pay.

NBA while it has dwindled a bit in fandom domestically since the 90s - it's made up in the international market. NFL is the NFL and is king and is just a monster so that isn't going away, especially with fantasy football and draft kings coming to fruition. MLS is getting bigger every year.

MLB is just kind of there with a super aging demographic.
And the World Series beat the NBA Finals in tv ratings.
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BigRedChief 07:29 PM 02-28-2022
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry:
Yet the local ratings for the home market teams are generally the number one rated tv shows during the season.
No shit. National TV contracts bring in a lot of money but the bread and butter of all MLB teams is the local cable/TV contract. Your team matters.

The Yankees on TV only matters to Yankees fans. I didn’t watch an inning of the World Series last year. But watched every inning of my team in the playoffs.
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Titty Meat 07:34 PM 02-28-2022
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry:
And the World Series beat the NBA Finals in tv ratings.
That's not saying much
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BigRedChief 07:40 PM 02-28-2022
Originally Posted by BDj23:
Better be negotiating steroid use to save baseball again.
last year all baseball teams let their pitchers doctor the baseball. No one ratted out anyone. We are doing it, you don’t say anything, you can cheat too. We won’t say anything. It became so out in the open, MLB had to stop it last year.

That’s how ****ed up baseball is now. Cheat to help pitchers and make the game have less offense.
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Ocotillo 08:51 PM 02-28-2022

Sources: Deal not close, but not impossible. CBT thresholds, prearb pool big issues, among others. MLB has proposed two choices:

A: 14-team expanded postseason, minimum of ~$700k, ~40m into prearb pool

B: 12-team expanded postseason, ~$675k minimum, ~$20m into prearb pool

— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) March 1, 2022

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Ocotillo 10:02 PM 02-28-2022

Significant: Per multiple sources with direct knowledge, the major topic right now -- and holdup -- is not CBT, but whether to expand postseason to 12 or 14 teams. PA wants 12. 14 very important to owners. This has been a big part of today.

— Andy Martino (@martinonyc) March 1, 2022


Hearing now that players are resistant as a group to 14 teams in the playoffs, and it’s not just 1, 2 or a few against it. Theres’s “widespread consensus” not to go to 14 postseason teams.

— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) March 1, 2022

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KChiefs1 10:41 PM 02-28-2022
Do the owners or players hate the salary cap with players getting a percentage?

Every other sport has it…why doesn’t MLB?

The MLBPA is represented by the top 10% of players making the big money. Are they afraid of losing money while the minimum wage guys finally get paid?


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Ocotillo 10:50 PM 02-28-2022

So there will be a 12-team postseason pool and the owners have agreed to have similar luxury tax penalties as the last CBA

— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) March 1, 2022

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Ocotillo 10:55 PM 02-28-2022

3 division winners and 3 wildcard teams. Everyone give me your best format for that?

Can’t simple have 1v6, 2v5 and 3v4. Need to reward division winners more than that IMO https://t.co/36ib54HNvw

— Jomboy (@Jomboy_) March 1, 2022

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Ocotillo 10:58 PM 02-28-2022

The two sides still have to finalize luxury tax thresholds with tweaks to smaller issues before a deal is reached.

— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) March 1, 2022

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tk13 11:10 PM 02-28-2022
At least it seems like there's some optimism. Wasn't sure we'd have any at all today.
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KChiefs1 11:17 PM 02-28-2022
MLBN is live covering the negotiations.


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Ocotillo 12:17 AM 03-01-2022

Current plan is to stay in the stadium and keep talking until a deal is done. Determination to finish this exists.

— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) March 1, 2022

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