Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi:
It wouldn’t surprise me if Mo played kiss ass with the media to make it seem like we’re interested and then boo hoo when someone else gets the deal done.
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Was exchanging texts with a friend about this today.
I'd think they obviously want Jordan Walker. He's the centerpiece. I'd think Carlson or O'Neill is another must-include piece in that deal. And Masyn Winn probably needs to head to Washington in the deal, too.
That deal doesn't completely strip the Cardinals OF and gives Washington a lot of young potentail to build around.
The question is if DeWitt would greenlight 15 years and 500M. Seems unlikely.
Carlson, Walker, Gorman, Liberatore and McGreevy
I do that. But I’d need a negotiating window because there’s a non-zero chance that Boras just insists on taking his guy to FA and nobody is worth that for a mere 2.4 seasons.
If you can’t get a contract done, take Walker and one of the SPs out of it and I’m still game. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi:
It wouldn’t surprise me if Mo played kiss ass with the media to make it seem like we’re interested and then boo hoo when someone else gets the deal done.
First in line with the next best offer.
Nobody in baseball has a better feel for how much it takes to get a deal done. It allows him to make sure he comes up just an Nth short and still claim he tried. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Carlson, Walker, Gorman, Liberatore and McGreevy
I do that. But I’d need a negotiating window because there’s a non-zero chance that Boras just insists on taking his guy to FA and nobody is worth that for a mere 2.4 seasons.
If you can’t get a contract done, take Walker and one of the SPs out of it and I’m still game.
most speculation I’ve seen says Walker, O’Neill, Bader and a 2AA pitching prospect gets it done because Walker is seen as a possible future MVP. [Reply]
True to form. Passed on Brock Porter the highest HS pitcher on the board with a high ceiling for a lower ceiling college pitcher.
I don’t hate this guy just not sure you couldn’t have got him in the supplemental round.
Eh - I like the pick quite a bit. I don't think this is really an amazing draft through the middle of the 1st. And yes, he's a higher floor guy, but it's a REALLY high floor and right now the high majors is a tough spot for the cardinals pitching depth.
I'd probably put Hjerpe immediately ahead of McGreevy. I think he's probably immediately no worst than the #6/7 prospect in the system and with as disappointed as I've been in Liberatore at the big league level, I think there's an argument that he's the #1 pitching prospect in the system.
Now I wouldn't put him there - I think that's Graceffo and Hence may not be far behind. But when considering polish and proximity, Hjerpe may be higher.
It's a fine pick. And when a top prep arm falls like Porter is falling, there's usually a really good reason for it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
most speculation I’ve seen says Walker, O’Neill, Bader and a 2AA pitching prospect gets it done because Walker is seen as a possible future MVP.
Gotta think the Mets will be in there with Alvarez and if so, Walker gets cancelled out and then some.
But that's why I think the Cardinals can get this done. After Alvarez, Walker's the best pure hitting prospect in the game right now. And you have to figure the Nats are going to build their package around the best offensive piece they can get.
So that puts the Mets and Cardinals in the drivers seat. We can absolutely overwhelm the Mets package though. Baty and Gorman would wash but beyond that we can start pulling ahead.
Walker/Gorman answers the Mets Alvarez/Baty and we can start to pull away from there. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Carlson, Walker, Gorman, Liberatore and McGreevy
I do that. But I’d need a negotiating window because there’s a non-zero chance that Boras just insists on taking his guy to FA and nobody is worth that for a mere 2.4 seasons.
If you can’t get a contract done, take Walker and one of the SPs out of it and I’m still game.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Gotta think the Mets will be in there with Alvarez and if so, Walker gets cancelled out and then some.
But that's why I think the Cardinals can get this done. After Alvarez, Walker's the best pure hitting prospect in the game right now. And you have to figure the Nats are going to build their package around the best offensive piece they can get.
So that puts the Mets and Cardinals in the drivers seat. We can absolutely overwhelm the Mets package though. Baty and Gorman would wash but beyond that we can start pulling ahead.
Walker/Gorman answers the Mets Alvarez/Baty and we can start to pull away from there.
I don’t like giving up Walker and Gorman. Both 3B. We need to move outfielders. The fact we have any talent to deal at all is Flores and not Mo. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
I don’t like giving up Walker and Gorman. Both 3B. We need to move outfielders. The fact we have any talent to deal at all is Flores and not Mo.
I don’t think either of those guys play 3b in the bigs. I think Gorman profiles best as a LFer long-term and Walker probably in RF, TBH.
But again, my goal with Gorman is to deal him before people realize he’s a .220 hitter and with Walker - well ya gotta give to get.
Juan Soto is the nearest thing any of us have seen to Ted Williams, fellas. He’s absurdly good. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Vladimir_Kyrilytch:
Hey you Cardinals fans got Cooper Hjerpe.
DJLN - save your criticism. (More so the guy DJLN was responding to)
He is Chris Sale 2.0. His ceiling is plenty high. He went to Oregon State University.
I'm not thrilled he went to the Cardinals. The Cardinals should be thrilled he went to the Cardinals.
He’s not Chris Sale.
Sale threw 99-101. Sale still throws 99 with a decade as a professional under his belt.
Being a levery lefty with a sidearm delivery doesn’t make you Chris Sale.
He’s a probable mid-rotation arm who may develop into a 2 someday. But he doesn’t have anything in his arsenal that looks to project even at a 70, let alone the two 80 grade pitches Sale had.
At 22 he’s a solid selection but I don’t imagine he’s going wow anyone for most of his career. [Reply]