The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.
1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.
2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.
3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.
4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.
5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.
6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.
6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.
7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.
Original post: You can ignore this now.
Spoiler!
Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.
The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.
Here's how the game will work.
Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)
Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.
Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".
Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.
Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.
Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs
If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.
There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.
I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.
So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.
Teams As Of Post #113:
Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)
Added Rules and Reminders:
1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.
2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.
3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.
For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)
For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)
You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.) [Reply]
Originally Posted by wazu:
Planning out my trade for Geno, and it keeps getting better. My understanding is that based on the chart we are using, the 1.1 pick is worth 3,000, so I just need to subtract 35% of that, and then I can go shopping.
35% = 1050
So That means I have 1950 points that I can go find, and trade 1.1 for, correct?
(Edit: Obviously all being from the same team.)
Yep.
I'm doing the same thing, but pondering Star Lotulelei as my guy. I need a tackle. [Reply]
One more question - I realize I am only allowed one trade of picks. I assume that means I get to pick one trading partner, and any combination of picks that they/I have as long as it fits with the chart. Do those picks have to be picks that are owned prior to the first pick that would have been selected? I'm assuming so. Reason I ask is I was considering trade with Vikings, but then they traded some picks and moved up. Do I trade with their "new" reality? Or the one that they began the day with? [Reply]
Originally Posted by wazu:
One more question - I realize I am only allowed one trade of picks. I assume that means I get to pick one trading partner, and any combination of picks that they/I have as long as it fits with the chart. Do those picks have to be picks that are owned prior to the first pick that would have been selected? I'm assuming so. Reason I ask is I was considering trade with Vikings, but then they traded some picks and moved up. Do I trade with their "new" reality? Or the one that they began the day with?
I was pondering that, too. I guess the most realistic thing would be to say that the trades cannot include real-life draft day trades. They have to be picks that were owned prior to the first pick.
I'm pretty sure that I'm going to trade down to the Jets. That works out almost perfectly for me. I'll move down from #1 to #13, most likely picking up Star Lotolelei, and then I'll pick up an early 2nd round and mid 3rd round pick. I'm not sure that's what I'm doing yet, but it's my initial inkling. [Reply]
As we head into the draft, my team's needs are pretty clear. The defensive line needs major help, and we have a couple of other holes that may have stopgap solutions for the time being.
High priority
Starting DT/NT
Starting OT, likely a RT if we can keep Albert. Depends on what happens with Winston.
Starting DE
Another starting DT if we go 4-3
Starting FS
Backup QB
Moderate priority
Another starting DE
Future TE if this is Tony G's last season
Low priority
Backup C
3rd string QB
Backup OT
Backup OLB
Upgrade/backup at ILB, but only if we stay at 3-4 [Reply]
Ok I'm confused if I do the jets trade what exactly do I get back? The two firsts and a second or more cause I'll do that trade , but who would the jets take? [Reply]
Originally Posted by chiefscafan:
Ok I'm confused if I do the jets trade what exactly do I get back? The two firsts and a second or more cause I'll do that trade , but who would the jets take?
I'm most likely going to do a Jets trade as well, so here's how the process goes.
The Jets have the following picks, and they get full value for them. The pick is shown below, along with the point value:
The Chiefs hold the following picks. In any trade up scenario, these picks are valued at .65 of their face value. So I show their picks below, along with the trade value and their face value. Recall that, per NFL rules, teams cannot trade their compensatory picks, which for the Chiefs are the 3-96 and 6-204 picks.
You can then make any trades as long as the value of your discounted picks is more than the value that you gain, and you cannot acquire more than two picks beyond what you give up.
So some reasonable scenarios might be:
Trade your 1-1 pick (1,950 points) and 3-63 pick (179.4 points) for the Jets' 1-9 pick (1,350 points), 2-39 (510 points), 3-72 (230 points) and 5-141 picks (35.5 points). You give up 2,129.4 points and 2 picks, and you get back 2,125.5 points and 4 picks. Winner.
Trade your 1-1 pick (1,950 points), 6-170 (15.9 points and 7-207 (6.2 points) for the Jets' 1-13 pick (1,150 points), 2-39 pick (510 points), 3-72 pick (230 points), and 5-141 (35.5 points), and 6-178 picks (21.2 points). You give up 1,972.1 points and 3 picks, and you get back 1,946.2 points and 5 picks. Winner.
Trade your 1-1 pick (1,950 points), 2-34 pick (364 points), 3-65 pick (172 points), and 6-170 pick (15.9 points), for the Jets 1-9 pick (1,350 points), 1-13 pick (1,150 points), and 7-215 pick (6.4 points). You give up 2,509.3 points and 4 picks, and you get back 2,506.4 points and 3 picks. Winner.
Since the Jets are a good potential trade partner, I've included an Excel-based calculator to figure out potential trades with them.
Trade your 1-1 pick (1,950 points), 6-170 (15.9 points and 7-207 (6.2 points) for the Jets' 1-13 pick (1,150 points), 2-39 pick (510 points), 3-72 pick (230 points), and 5-141 (35.5 points), and 6-178 picks (21.2 points). You give up 1,972.1 points and 3 picks, and you get back 1,946.2 points and 5 picks. Winner.
Originally Posted by chiefscafan:
Ok I'm taking this scenario
Trade your 1-1 pick (1,950 points), 6-170 (15.9 points and 7-207 (6.2 points) for the Jets' 1-13 pick (1,150 points), 2-39 pick (510 points), 3-72 pick (230 points), and 5-141 (35.5 points), and 6-178 picks (21.2 points). You give up 1,972.1 points and 3 picks, and you get back 1,946.2 points and 5 picks. Winner.
1-13:
2-39:
3-63:
3-72:
3-96:
4-99:
5-134:
5-141:
6-178:
6-204:
I'm pretty sure I'm taking that one, too. It works out very well for some guys I'm targeting. [Reply]
Actually, in that Jets trade scenario you can keep your 6th round pick and give up their 6th round pick and be slightly better off. Just remove the 6th rounders from the trade. [Reply]
After considerable gnashing of teeth, I have my draft. I'll unveil it after sleeping on it.
This year was really, really hard. There were only a few no-brainers for me, and several agonizingly hard decisions.
I will begin by stating that we reject the Alex Smith trade, thus keeping our 2nd round pick.
We will also trade our 1-1 pick to the Jets, along with our 7-207, and we will receiver the Jets' 1-13, 2-39, 3-72, and 5-141 picks in return. In this scenario, we acquire 1,925.5 points and four picks, and we give up 1,956.2 points and two picks.
Note the post below, in which we traded our 1-1 pick and our 7-207 pick for the Jets' 1-13, 2-39, 3-72, and 5-141 picks. While I needed an OT, it was a no-brainer to trade down and pick up so many high picks even at a massive discount.
We also decline the Alex Smith trade and thus keep our 2-34 pick as well. This leaves us with 11 picks.
And here we go...
Round 1, Pick 13 - Star Lotulelei, DT (Panthers)
We desperately need multiple DTs, and I liked Star because he can apparently play 3-4 NT, 3-4 DE, or 4-3 DT. The only other player I considered was Jarvis Jones, but while I like him we don't have a need at OLB and we had a desperate need at DT. He will immediately move to the top of the depth chart as a starter at either 4-3 DT or 3-4 DE.
Round 2, Pick 34 - Geno Smith, QB (Jets)
This was a much harder pick than one would guess. For much of my consideration Geno was not my guy, and I was figuring I would take DT Jonathan Hankins with this pick to continue beefing up my line. But in the end I couldn't pass up a likely starting QB with only a second-round pick. Geno will back up Russell Wilson as my likely second-string QB and insurance policy.
Round 2, Pick 39 - Menelik Watson, OT (Raiders)
I struggled with this pick. Hankins was still available and highly attractive, and I really wanted him. He was my second choice yet again. I also strongly considered DT Kawann Short and TE Gavin Escobar, and flirted with ILB Kevin Minter, DE Margus Hunt, and even DE Tank Carradine. But in the end, this whole Eric Winston thing screwed me over. I only have Branden Albert, Winston, and Carolina backup Bruce Campbell as holdovers, and I need someone who can step in and start at RT. If I didn't take Watson, my only other option was Terron Armstead in the third, and I decided that Watson was a better risk
Round 3, Pick 63 - Travis Kelce, TE (Chiefs)
This was purely a need pick. I think my fullbacks are headed out of the league, and my starting TE, Tony Gonzalez, is likely in his last year. I considered Escobar as a long-term replacement, but landed on Kelce because I can play him as an H-back type this year, and either leave him in that position long term or move him to TE when Tony retires. I'm not thrilled about this pick because I really wanted and needed DE Demontre Moore here, but Kelce was the only strong candidate who could fill my roster hole. He'll likely move into the starting lineup as an H-back.
Round 3, Pick 72 - Brandon Williams, DT (Ravens)
This is my year to fix the defensive line. I was very torn between Williams and DT John Jenkins, who seemed to be ranked a little higher. I went with Williams because he's a little more versatile (4-3 DT and 3-4 NT as opposed to purely a NT) and because he has a history of generating a pass rush inside. I really hated passing on Jenkins and it killed me to watch Demontre Moore go off the board. But I need versatile DTs. I also strongly considered WR Keenan Allen as a BPA move, but receiver isn't an area of great need. OT Terron Armstead got a long look too, as I pondered whether to take him or Watson (Round 2) or both. In the end, though, I have to fix my DT spot since my incumbents were Alex Carrington (fine backup), Anthony Toribio (backup), and Ron Edwards (retiring, I think). Brandon will likely move into the starting lineup as either my NT in a 3-4 or as a 4-3 DT.
Round 3, Pick 96 - Tyler Wilson, QB (Raiders)
Controversial pick here. If I was going to take a developmental quarterback, Matt Barkley was still available. But in the end I like Tyler Wilson's prospects more, and he can sit at third string behind Russell Wilson and Geno Smith and get some seasoning.
There were a bunch of players I really liked here, including DT Akeem Spence, DE Alex Okafor, WR/PR Ace Sanders, WR Quentin Patton, RB Marcus Lattimore, LB Jelani Jenkins, C Barrett Jones, FS Phillip Thomas, and C Brian Schwenke. I need a backup C, a returner, a backup RB, and a starting FS, so these guys were hard to pass up. But in the end, it's all about the quarterback and I need insurance there. I can get by in these other areas in the short term.
All of the guys in the previous paragraph were still available for this pick, and I liked a lot of them. My initial thought was Spence or maybe Okafor, and I also took a long look at Schwenke. But when I started analyzing my roster, I realized that I really needed a returner. Ace Sanders rose to my top, but he's a receiver and I have depth there. I kept looking to see if I could find a RB who could be a returner. While Lattimore was very intriguing as a long-term play at RB, he didn't solve my return problem.
Then I found Denard Robinson down further. During the draft, one of the talking heads was the coach of Notre Dame, and he made some comments about Robinson being the most dynamic playmaker he had faced this year. The Jags are apparently going to make him a RB and returner, so I'm taking him as a high-risk, high-reward candidate. He'll be a third-stringer behind Jamaal Charles and C.J. Spiller, but will contribute as a returner and potential gadget. My backfield is built on speed, baby!
Round 5, Pick 134 - Jesse Williams, DT (Seahawks)
This was a no-brainer. I need DTs, and this guy slipped way further than I thought. Apparently there's some long-term concern about his knee, but screw that. Perfect value pick that fills a need. Never even really considered anyone else other than a look at RB Stepfan Taylor. Williams will battle for a starting DT or NT job.
Round 5, Pick 141 - A.J. Klein, ILB (Panthers)
I probably should have taken DE Quanterus Smith or DE Lavar Edwards here and looked really hard at Smith, but I have no depth at ILB and I liked Klein as a prospect. If we go 3-4 he'll fight Rey Maualuga for a starting job alongside Derrick Johnson, or if we go 4-3 he'll fight for a backup job. I also briefly considered WR Tavarres King and G/T Oday Aboushi, but didn't feel that they offered an upgrade over my current roster.
Round 6, Pick 170 - Bacarri Rambo, FS (Redskins)
One area of need that I haven't addressed so far is FS, where my current starter is Kendrick Lewis. I need to upgrade, but couldn't justify a high pick on the position given other needs. Rambo is a character risk with talent, so I figure he has a fighting chance to unseat Lewis as my starter or at least be a backup.
I also strongly considered OT David Quessenberry, RB Kenjon Barner, and TE Nick Kasa at this spot, particularly Quessenberry.
Round 6, Pick 204 - Jordan Poyer, CB (Eagles)
I wasn't sure what to do with this spot, and CB isn't a strong area of need. I looked at Poyer, who seemed like a really good value pick, and was also very interested in ILB Mike Mauti, DE Armonty Bryant, and FBs Braden Wilson and Tommy Bohannan. The latter two were of interest more to divert the third round pick from Kelce to Demontre Moore. Undrafted FAs WR Da'Rick Rogers and ILB Kevin Reddick also interested me. But in the end I already had Klein at ILB, and it's hard to predict if fullbacks will even make the final cuts. I went with Poyer as a safe, talent-adding pick, even if CB isn't a real need.
When all was said and done, the two guys I really lament passing on are DE Demontre Moore and DT Jonathan Hankins. They could have really helped. I also think that WR Keenan Allen and WR Quentin Patton could be steals, but I just had too many other fires to put out and have a good pair of starting WRs already. [Reply]
I still need to add some training camp fodder, but right now my depth chart looks like this (rookies in red):
QB
Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Geno Smith (Jets)
Tyler Wilson (Raiders)
Mark Sanchez (Jets)
QB Chase Daniel 3 years
Jimmy Clausen (Panthers)*
Wilson is certainly a pro bowl find at QB, and I hope he maintains his performance. I have a couple of developmental prospects behind him, most likely. We'll see if Sanchez and Daniel can compete for a spot.
High quality here with two star pro bowl running backs, and Robinson will handle my return duties. Draughn and Eachus will battle for a roster spot.
FB/H-Back
Travis Kelce (Chiefs)
FB Ryan D'Imperio
Peyton Hillis
Most likely Kelce, but if D'Imperio makes a good showing I could move Kelce back to TE.
WR
Dwayne Bowe*
Kendall Wright (Titans)
WR Donnie Avery 3 years
Leonard Hankerson (Redskins)
WR Mardy Gilyard
Greg Salas (Rams)
Steve Breaston - WR
I like my starters in Bowe and Wright, and Avery will fit right into the slot. Hankerson is a good fourth receiver and we'll have a battle at the bottom for a roster spot.
TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons)
Anthony Fasano
Kevin Brock
Kevin Boss
Steve Maneri
Obviously strong here with a pro bowler starting, though I need a succession plan. Kelce is most likely that plan, and Fasano will be a good backup. I like what's happening here.
OT
Branden Albert*
Menelik Watson (Raiders)
Bruce Campbell (Raiders/Panthers)*
Eric Winston - RT
OL Tommie Draheim
Depending on what happens with Winston, I'm thin here. I'll be starting a rookie and my backup isn't exactly proven, though I can also slide Scwartz out. Albert is a rock, though. This may be the weak link of my offense.
G
Wade Smith*
Alex Boone (49ers)*
Jason Pinkston (Browns)
Geoff Schwartz
Lilja, Ryan
Brian Waters*
Good talent and depth. Wade was a pro bowler last year. No problems at all here.
C
Rodney Hudson (Chiefs)
I hope he develops. Worst case, if he doesn't or if he gets hurt I can move Wade Smith easily into this position. He and Watson will be the two starters to watch.
K
Alex Henery (Eagles)
Perfectly fine.
P
Dustin Colquitt*
Pro bowler.
FS
Kendrick Lewis*
Baccari Rambo (Redskins)
Charles Mitchell (Falcons)
S Hasain Abdullah
Travis Daniels*
I really wanted to upgrade this position with a strong starter, but couldn't justify it. Rambo may challenge a bit, but otherwise Kendrick will last until I can upgrade.
SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)*
Abram Elam
Tysyn Hartman - DB
I'm very strong here as Jones is a rising star. Depth? Meh.
CB
Brandon Flowers*
Alphonso Dennard (Patriots)
CB Sean Smith
D.J. Moore (Bears)*
Jordan Poyer (Eagles)
CB Dunta Robinson
Stanford Routt
I really like this position even though it's not star-studded. Flowers will lock down one side, and then I'm going to have a battle royale between the rest of them to get the other starting job and the nickel and dime slots.
OLB
Tamba Hali*
Zach Brown (Titans)
LB Frank Zombo
Chris Carter (Steelers)
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers)*
Andy Studebaker*
LB Chad Kilgore
I wasn't sure what to do with this unit. Hali is a strong starter and Zach Brown had a great rookie season. It's pretty journeyman behind them, but I think it's reasonable.
ILB
Derrick Johnson*
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)*
AJ Klein (Panthers)
Brandon Siler - ILB
I like Klein as a backup and my starters are strong. I wouldn't mind if Klein challenged Maualuga for a starting job if we go 3-4.
DE
DE Mike DeVito
Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers)
Ropati Pitoitua
Ronnell Lewis (Lions)
Jonathan Massaquoi (Falcons)
I desperately wanted to upgrade this unit, but it didn't work out. If we go 3-4 I'll put Devito out there along with Star Lotulelei. If we go 4-3, my hope is that Bowers is up to a starting job. I've been patient with him and I need him to deliver on his pass rush potential. I have depth here even if it's not wow.
NT
Star Lotulelei (Panthers)
Brandon Williams (Ravens)
Jesse Williams (Seahawks)
Alex Carrington (Bills)*
Anthony Toribio
DT Marcus Dixon
Ron Edwards*
This was obviously an area of emphasis, and my goal was to get guys who could run in a 4-3 or 3-4. All of my rookies can be a DT in the 3-4 or the 4-3, and I can move Star out to DE in a 3-4. We'll see how training camp goes. My hope is that this influx of talented rookies will solve my DT problem.
Overall, it's coming together well. I have pro bowlers on offense at QB, HB, HB, TE, and LG, and no gaping holes despite a little concern at C and RT. My P is a pro bowler and my K is good.
And my defense, which really needed some help, got an infusion of talent, particularly on the line. If Bowers looks promising at DE I may go 4-3, or if not, I'll go 3-4 with Star out at DE. I could be stronger at DE and FS, and I'm relying on rookies to deliver at NT, but I feel pretty good about my LBs, CBs, and SS. I have two pro bowlers on defense in Derrick Johnson and Tamba Hali.
Only two NFL teams put more pro bowlers on the field last year, and I'm infusing a lot of talent. I like where this season is headed. [Reply]