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KChiefs1 10:49 AM 06-22-2019
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KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Before Andy Reid began his vacation in California this week, Kansas City Chiefs head coach made an amusing yet literal request to his players: Please don’t report to training camp next month on crutches.

The Chiefs finished their offseason program last week without any significant injuries. Reid has enjoyed tinkering with his offensive playbook and watching his new defense, led by new coordinator Steve Spagnuolo. The biggest hope for Reid is that none of his players need crutches or have to removed from the practice field on a cart during camp, which begins July 24 at Missouri Western State University in St. Joseph, Mo.

The projected roster below assumes player is healthy and in top shape. An NFL season, however, is loaded with variables and the unexpected. In order to reach the Super Bowl, the Chiefs will need contributions from veteran backups and production from young, unproven players. The Chiefs were the biggest surprise of last year, as quarterback Patrick Mahomes, the NFL’s reigning MVP, led the team to the AFC Championship game. Reid wants his reconstructed defense to be another surprise this season.

After 12 practices, six of which were open to reporters, the Chiefs do appear to be a more balanced team. Reid and general manager Brett Veach will have difficult decisions to make at various positions, including wide receiver, linebacker and along the defensive line.

The three minicamp practices last week gave reporters the best indication of what the Chiefs’ depth chart looks like. From notes, observations and Reid’s preference in past seasons, here’s our early projection of the Chiefs’ 53-man roster.

Quarterbacks: Patrick Mahomes, Chad Henne

Analysis: The quarterbacks’ room shouldn’t change from last year. Mahomes has been supported by Henne, who also understands the offense better in his second season with the Chiefs. Offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy, quarterbacks assistant Mike Kafka and Reid will continue to brainstorm on how Mahomes can stay ahead of opposing defenses. Henne, an 11-year veteran, is a suitable backup who can smoothly operate the Chiefs’ offense.

Practice-squad consideration: Chase Litton is entering his second season with the Chiefs after performing well last year in the preseason. If Litton continues to develop in camp, he’ll likely stay with the Chiefs and win the third-string battle over undrafted free agent Kyle Shurmur.

Running backs: Damien Williams, Carlos Hyde, Darrel Williams, Darwin Thompson

Analysis: This is an interesting group. All four players are capable of being additional receivers in Reid’s offense and Damien Williams appears to be ready for his role as the Chiefs’ primary ball carrier.

Hyde should be most effective in short-yardage situations and on swing passes out of the backfield. Last season, Darrel Williams performed well in his six games, showing toughness in space. The most unpredictable player at the position is Thompson, who could be used in screen passes, on special teams or as a gadget player for Reid. Thompson has enough speed that he should see the ball in space at least a few times this season. The Chiefs don’t need their running backs to be spectacular. The goal for this group should be consistency in keeping opposing defenses balanced.

Fullback: Anthony Sherman

Analysis: As one of the best fullbacks in the league, Sherman will continue to do a little bit of everything. Sherman will block for Mahomes and Williams, catch critical passes and be a plus on special teams. Another Pro Bowl appearance seems reasonable.

Tight ends: Travis Kelce, Deon Yelder, John Lovett

Analysis: Kelce, who missed the offseason practices to rest his surgically repaired ankle, should be fully healthy in time for camp. He is Mahomes’ favorite target, and that shouldn’t change this season, particularly on third down. The real intrigue in camp is who will play with Kelce as Reid’s second and third tight ends. The reason for two backups here is simple: Reid wants to run plays with two tight ends, and both Yelder and Lovett have the most potential. Yelder, the more traditional tight end who excels at blocking, spent most of last season on the Chiefs’ practice squad. The preseason is going to be critical for him. As for Lovett, he’s one of the best athletes on the roster. He made impressive catches during the open offseason practices and spent plenty of snaps with the projected starters with Kelce and Yelder out with injuries.

Practice-squad consideration: Nick Keizer is another young, solid option in case of an injury. Keizer spent last season on the Baltimore Ravens’ practice squad.

Receivers: Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, Demarcus Robinson, Mecole Hardman, Byron Pringle, Gehrig Dieter

Analysis: After the NFL Draft, Hill was not on our projected depth chart ahead of the team’s organized practices. Although he’s indefinitely suspended by the Chiefs, Hill could rejoin the team in camp since he’s no longer under criminal investigation from the Johnson County (Kan.) District Attorney’s office. The Chiefs believe Hill could receive a suspension from the NFL as soon as next month for violating the league’s personal-conduct policy.

Beyond Hill’s potential return, the rest of the position is a steady group. Watkins was a star during the offseason program, and Robinson has received greater responsibility within the offense. Pringle and Dieter are players who can contribute on offense and special teams. Hardman, the speedy rookie, should have an increased role as the season progresses and he better understands the offense.

Practice-squad consideration: Cody Thompson, an undrafted rookie from Toledo, was the second-most consistent receiver in the offseason practices behind Watkins. Thompson caught almost every ball thrown to him during the open practices and his route running, especially in the slot, was impressive. If Hill is suspended, Thompson could start the season on the Chiefs’ 53-man roster if he performs well in the preseason.

Offensive linemen: Mitchell Schwartz, Eric Fisher, Austin Reiter, Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, Andrew Wylie, Cam Erving, Kahlil McKenzie, Jimmy Murray, Nick Allegretti

Analysis: The Chiefs’ starting lineup appears set with a healthy Duverney-Tardif and an emerging Wylie as the projected guards next to Reiter as the center. Schwartz and Fisher are quality tackles. But one reason the Chiefs have one of the best offensive lines in the NFL is because of their depth and versatility. Erving, who spent much of last season as the starting left guard, appears ready for a new role as the swingman tackle. McKenzie learned the guard position last year as a rookie and should get plenty of snaps in the preseason. Murray and Allegretti are athletic enough to play both the center and guard positions.

Practice-squad consideration: Tackle Ryan Hunter should be given another year to learn from Schwartz, Fisher and assistant coach Andy Heck.

Defensive linemen: Frank Clark, Chris Jones, Alex Okafor, Emmanuel Ogbah, Derrick Nnadi, Breeland Speaks, Tanoh Kpassagnon, Khalen Saunders, Xavier Williams

Analysis: Spagnuolo is going to place a lot of his faith in these players. The trio of pass rushers in Clark, Jones and Okafor is a quality group that should put consistent pressure on opposing quarterbacks. Jones, who is seeking a sizable contract extension, is expected to return to the team early in camp after missing all of the offseason practices. The two wild cards are former second-round picks Speaks and Kpassagnon. Spagnuolo wants the two players to play both on the edge and in the interior based on the matchups against the opposing offensive line. Speaks and Kpassagnon haven’t done that since their college careers. Nnadi, Saunders and Williams are all capable defensive tackles who can rotate and be stout in Spagnuolo’s 4-3 defense.

Practice-squad consideration: The Chiefs are very high on Tim Ward, an undrafted rookie defensive end who missed all of the offseason practices because of a knee injury.

Linebackers: Anthony Hitchens, Reggie Ragland, Damien Wilson, Darron Lee, Dorian O’Daniel, Ben Niemann

Analysis: The position appears to still be fluid for Spagnuolo, as Hitchens is the lone unquestioned starter. Ragland, Wilson and Lee could all be starters at some point this season with O’Daniel as a situational option. One of the most fascinating parts of camp will be how often the Chiefs run snaps with three linebackers. The change in scheme appears to benefit Ragland the most, who could play in the middle or as the strong-side ‘backer. The winner of these position battles will likely be the players who can sprint sideline to sideline and be effective in pass coverage. Niemann is the perfect role player who is disciplined and strong on special teams. O’Daniel is also a plus option on special teams.

Practice-squad considerations: Darius Harris, an undrafted rookie, has potential. Raymond Davison should get another year to develop after being on the Chiefs’s practice squad last season.

Cornerbacks: Kendall Fuller, Bashaud Breeland, Charvarius Ward, Keith Reaser, Tremon Smith

Analysis: Something unforeseen would have to happen in camp or the preseason for this position to change. Fuller, Breeland and Ward are the Chiefs’ primary options. Reaser is a reasonable option in dime coverage if he can stay healthy, which has been his biggest issue in the NFL. Spagnuolo likely will leave Fuller in the slot position and the burden will increase for Ward, who blossomed late last season as a rookie. Smith, a second-year player, is the projected winner of the final spot on the roster since he was excellent as the team’s kickoff returner last season.

Practice-squad considerations: Rookies Rashad Fenton and Mark Fields will need to perform better than expected in the preseason, both on defense and special teams, for them to make the roster. If they prove competent, both players should spend the season learning Spagnuolo’s system.

Safeties: Tyrann Mathieu, Juan Thornhill, Daniel Sorensen, Jordan Lucas, Armani Watts

Analysis: The order of this position is set entering training camp with Mathieu and Thornhill as the starters. Sorensen, Lucas and Watts are all capable backups who can make contributions on special teams. Spagnuolo just needs this group to stay healthy.

Specialists: Harrison Butker (kicker), Dustin Colquitt (punter), James Winchester (long snapper)

Analysis: All three players rank among the best at their position in the NFL with coordinator Dave Toub as their guru.

Practice-squad considerations: Undrafted rookie punter Jack Fox has a big and consistent leg; he’ll continue to develop under Colquitt and Toub.

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DJ's left nut 09:17 AM 08-30-2019
Originally Posted by O.city:
We know they loved Ya-Sin and I'm pretty sure based on the Franchise stuff that they were gonna take him in the first had the Clark trade not happened, so they obviously liked him.

They could have traded back up for him
They're giving up both Hardman and Thornhill to do that.

I don't think giving up a 2nd and next years second (or this years 3rd) gets them up to Ya-Sin's range. If it did, with as highly as Veach spoke of him, I think they'd have pulled the trigger.
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O.city 09:17 AM 08-30-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I think you can maybe criticize them for spending their money on Watkins instead of Fuller last year.

Scratch that - you can DEFINITELY criticize him for that.

But this year? Give me your alternatives. I'd have probably gone CB with the 2nd but that board dried up fast. There were three guys at that spot who I'd have considered - David Long, Justin Layne and Julian Love. Truth be told, I'd have probably taken Layne.

But Layne has looked like shattered ass thus far. Long is the other guy I'd have maybe talked myself into due to his ridiculous athleticism but he's raw as hell.

I just don't see much he had available to him. Breeland and Claiborne were nice low-cost additions who can play a bit and other than that, there weren't a lot of immediate impact adds to make.
Yeah, the additions have been fine. I think they'll realistically be ok there, I'd just like to see some long term developmental stuff put in there.

Really though, with all they had to do this offseason, expectations have to be set for what realistically could have been done, so i probably jumped the gun.
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O.city 09:18 AM 08-30-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
They're giving up both Hardman and Thornhill to do that.

I don't think giving up a 2nd and next years second (or this years 3rd) gets them up to Ya-Sin's range. If it did, with as highly as Veach spoke of him, I think they'd have pulled the trigger.
I wonder had the Hill stuff not come out when it did had they not traded back up into the first for someone. There was some chatter about that, but really, it may have been a blessing in disguise that it happened the way it did.
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Talisman 09:31 AM 08-30-2019
Why not use the second and third preseason games to test out the lower tier WRs/TEs with Mahomes? We all know Hill, Sammy and Kelce can run their routes and catch a pass. If we do end up needing WR 4 or 5 to come in and make an impact, why not see what they can do catching passes from the best? It won't give us the best chance to "win" the first quarter of a preseason game, but it's just glorified practice anyway.
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Buckweath 08-30-2019, 09:57 AM
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KChiefs1 11:07 AM 08-30-2019
Offense
QB: Patrick Mahomes, Matt Moore

RB: Damien Williams, Darrel Williams, Darwin Thompson

FB: Anthony Sherman

TE: Travis Kelce, Blake Bell, Trade

WR: Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, DeMarcus Robinson, Mecole Hardman, DeAnthony Thomas, Byron Pringle

OL: Eric Fisher, Cam Erving, Austin Reiter, Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff, Mitchell Schwartz, Andrew Wylie, Jeff Allen, Nick Allegretti




Defense
DL: Frank Clark, Chris Jones, Derrick Nnadi, Alex Okafor, Tanoh Kpassagnon, Khalen Saunders, Xavier Williams, Emmanuel Ogbah, Justin Hamilton

LB: Anthony Hitchens, Reggie Ragland, Damien Wilson, Darron Lee, Ben Niemann, Jeremiah Attaochu

S: Tyrann Mathieu, Juan Thornhill, Dan Sorensen, Armani Watts, Jordan Lucas

CB: Bashaud Breeland, Charvarius Ward, Kendall Fuller, Mo Claiborne, Herb Miller, Rashad Fenton




Specialists:
K: Harrison Butker

P: Dustin Colquitt

LS: James Winchester


Practice Squad
Shurmur
Marshall
Thompson
Davis
Keizer
Murray
Hunter
Ivie
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RealSNR 11:30 AM 08-30-2019
Hopefully this ends the Damontre Wade experiment. He’s been nothing but a big bucket of ass since getting first team reps in shorts at training camp
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Mecca 11:51 AM 08-30-2019
Here's an issue, looks like Fenton is going to make it just because so that leaves us with 4 CB's...I don't see a 5th.
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Chief Roundup 12:18 PM 08-30-2019
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Here's an issue, looks like Fenton is going to make it just because so that leaves us with 4 CB's...I don't see a 5th.

Chiefs GM Brett Veach mentions some of the roster position still up grabs, specifically 8th or 9th OL and DL, 5th or 6th CB, 5th or 6th WR.

— Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) August 30, 2019

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Hoover 12:21 PM 08-30-2019
Originally Posted by KChiefs1:
Offense
QB: Patrick Mahomes, Matt Moore

RB: Damien Williams, Darrel Williams, Darwin Thompson

FB: Anthony Sherman

TE: Travis Kelce, Blake Bell, Trade

WR: Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, DeMarcus Robinson, Mecole Hardman, DeAnthony Thomas, Byron Pringle

OL: Eric Fisher, Cam Erving, Austin Reiter, Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff, Mitchell Schwartz, Andrew Wylie, Jeff Allen, Nick Allegretti




Defense
DL: Frank Clark, Chris Jones, Derrick Nnadi, Alex Okafor, Tanoh Kpassagnon, Khalen Saunders, Xavier Williams, Emmanuel Ogbah, Justin Hamilton

LB: Anthony Hitchens, Reggie Ragland, Damien Wilson, Darron Lee, Ben Niemann, Jeremiah Attaochu

S: Tyrann Mathieu, Juan Thornhill, Dan Sorensen, Armani Watts, Jordan Lucas

CB: Bashaud Breeland, Charvarius Ward, Kendall Fuller, Mo Claiborne, Herb Miller, Rashad Fenton




Specialists:
K: Harrison Butker

P: Dustin Colquitt

LS: James Winchester


Practice Squad
Shurmur
Marshall
Thompson
Davis
Keizer
Murray
Hunter
Ivie
A little light on the Line if you ask me. Hard to walk aways from McKenzie, but I get it.
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Mecca 12:22 PM 08-30-2019
I personally don't see a need to carry 5 safeties.
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ToxSocks 12:27 PM 08-30-2019
Originally Posted by Mecca:
I personally don't see a need to carry 5 safeties.
Yeah there's not going to be 5 safeties.
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ToxSocks 12:27 PM 08-30-2019
And was Speaks already placed on I.R or something? Why was he left off?
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Mecca 12:28 PM 08-30-2019
If Lucas is the odd man out and you think he's worth something trade him.
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Mecca 12:29 PM 08-30-2019
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
And was Speaks already placed on I.R or something? Why was he left off?
Because if they want a chance for him to return this year he can't be put on IR until after the official cut day so basically he has to make the 53 and then he can be put on IR.

If you just IR a dude right now like they did Lovett you can't be given a return label. There's a big hang up on Henne with this too which I don't get, who cares if he comes back, that would be a waste of a return.
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ToxSocks 12:31 PM 08-30-2019
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Because if they want a chance for him to return this year he can't be put on IR until after the official cut day so basically he has to make the 53 and then he can be put on IR.

If you just IR a dude right now like they did Lovett you can't be given a return label. There's a big hang up on Henne with this too which I don't get, who cares if he comes back, that would be a waste of a return.
Right, i get that. Which is why i asked why Speaks was left off Kchiefs1's 53. He's gotta make the 53 and then IR'd.
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