Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Take a look at the banned list and take a look at shit Stumpy and Mecca post while still be allowed in the thread.
Mecca has skirted the line many times and probably has come close to being banned. Lines have been skirted by both sides.
The banned list will tell me nothing because I honestly do not know people's political affiliations and preferences outside of the fucking nutjobs. I don't think Mecca is a nutjob. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pants:
Mecca has skirted the line many times and probably has come close to being banned. Lines have been skirted by both sides.
The banned list will tell me nothing because I honestly do not know people's political affiliations and preferences outside of the fucking nutjobs. I don't think Mecca is a nutjob.
For the record, Mecca was banned a few days ago. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Why did you bother quoting my post since none of what you wrote offers any sort of counterpoint to what I said originally?
It's quite simple: if there's a benefit to wider public health by wearing an improvised, non-medical grade PPE mask through limiting droplet spread now then there certainly was one four to five months ago because it is known that typical influenza and cold viruses are commonly transmitted through droplet spread. Even if it were not the case that SARSCov2 is inhibited by such improvised measures then there still is the wider benefit of cutting down the spread of non-novel respiratory viruses which in turn cuts down on health care usage.
That's the case in which they were wrong and a cloth mask doesn't do shit against SARSCov2. If they were right, then C-19 proliferates at a much slower rate and potentially negates or curtails the length of major lockdowns across the country.
In either circumstance, the CDC gets an out once further information on SARSCov2 comes to light and can say "Look, we weren't sure improvised masks would work for instances when people could not avoid 'social distancing', but at the time it was the best we could recommend since we needed to preserve PPE for health care providers."
But instead, their best course of action was to lie and say "nah just proceed as normal" in order to prevent runs on medical grade PPE by the general public when there was a potential alternative in recommending physical distancing in concert with improvised masking to those who couldn't otherwise avoid to stay in household isolation.
Cloth masks at the time were considered more harmful than good . The more they learned about covid they realized it would help with asymptotic spread which is not normal for other respiratory viruses.
I still wouldn’t use a cloth masks right now . [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
It's pretty obvious at this point anything Anti-Trump is ok.
Pointing out that Trump is pretty anti-mask isn't political. It's just a fact.
If merely mentioning the actions or lack of actions of a governor or mayor is worthy of a ban, this thread would be depopulated rather quickly. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pants:
I guess you skirt the line too many times, you face the hammer.
That's basically how it works, yeah. We generally try not to dump people for anything that could be remotely considered to be political, but after a while the pattern becomes clear. [Reply]
FTR, I actively hide all of the political bullshit I can on social media and I have several relatives who annoy the shit out of me with anti-Trump things, actually more so than Trump supporters.
Not that all of the butthurt is surprising at all... the next most-banned thread is probably 3-5 people and this one has close to 30. [Reply]
Home Depot is probably about 50% masks at best from customers. There is no real pattern. All ages and genders are wearing and not wearing them. Hy-Vee was probably at about 90% mask wearing. I’m beginning to think there is a social construct people are following in which they know certain stores have different acceptable norms and they are going with that on whether or not they wear a mask. [Reply]
The fact is there is some politics to this. The media and our politicians have seen to that. Even the other day when Gov. Kelly gave her presser on masks in Ks she had to say "even Republicans are wearing masks here... ". That shit doesn't help. FTR I know people both D & R that are fer masks and people both D & R that are gin' em'.
For the most part I think we have kept this thread free of politics about as well as you can. I wouldn't have banned Mecca, at least not a perma-ban but not my call. [Reply]