Originally Posted by smithandrew051:
There’s fair and unfair criticism of any QB.
The fair criticism of Burrow is:
1. What would he look like without such great receivers? Could still be great, but we don’t know.
2. Sacks. Whether it’s him or the OL, he takes way too many sacks. That’s not sustainable. It’ll either kill key drives (see last year’s AFCCG) or shorten his career (maybe both).
He’s been sacked 148 times in 52 regular season games. Mahomes has been sacked 148 times in 96 regular season games.
Burrow has also been sacked 29 times in 7 postseason games. Mahomes has been sacked 32 times in 17 postseason games.
This is always a little bit of A, little bit of B.
Burrow's line has never been great. But he also holds the ball too long. And ultimately he may end up being a little like Watson in that even when Watson DID have a good OL, he was still taking too many sacks.
You didn't know it was Watson's doing until the line got cleaned up. But once you did, he was still a guy who was getting himself in trouble. [Reply]
Originally Posted by smithandrew051:
There’s fair and unfair criticism of any QB.
The fair criticism of Burrow is:
1. What would he look like without such great receivers? Could still be great, but we don’t know.
2. Sacks. Whether it’s him or the OL, he takes way too many sacks. That’s not sustainable. It’ll either kill key drives (see last year’s AFCCG) or shorten his career (maybe both).
He’s been sacked 148 times in 52 regular season games. Mahomes has been sacked 148 times in 96 regular season games.
Burrow has also been sacked 29 times in 7 postseason games. Mahomes has been sacked 32 times in 17 postseason games.
He’s come out and said he doesn’t stress about sacks too much. He says a lot of them he takes are on 3rd downs when it doesn’t matter much. [Reply]
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
Keep talking that bullshit while forgetting that Burrow led the 6 minute drive in Cincy in '21 that beat you, led the OT drive in the AFCCG that beat you and led the drive and made the 3rd down throw in a tight window in '22 in Cincy that beat you.
You should also seriously reconsider putting shit like the bolded out for everyone to read.
So your counterpoint to a point being made about Burrow shrinking in the playoffs is to bring up 3 games, of which 2 are in the regular season? Not too bright.
How about you point to a playoff game where Burrow got the ball in the fourth and led his team with a TD pass in the fourth quarter? Can you do that? [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
He’s come out and said he doesn’t stress about sacks too much. He says a lot of them he takes are on 3rd downs when it doesn’t matter much.
1st down sacks: 46
2nd down: 42
3rd: 58
He should probably stress about sacks a little more. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
He’s come out and said he doesn’t stress about sacks too much. He says a lot of them he takes are on 3rd downs when it doesn’t matter much.
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
Joe Burrow has never walked off the field after a loss without going to the opposing team and congratulating them.
Players on your team wished him well and told him the game wasn't the same without him. :-)
Yeah Burrow isn't bad, it's the rest of your trash-talking turds. But while Mahomes actively tries to put the clamps on that stuff, Burrow seems to silently encourage it. FAFO [Reply]
I still consider Cincy a top threat in the AFC - probably right there neck and neck with Buffalo for 2024.
But I am damn sure excited to see how they navigate roster changes as their offense is forced to evolve. Their OL hasn't been good, but no, I don't think Burrow does them favors either. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
...potentially winning a SB relying more so on defense and even times of game management offense
This is the thing that of all the national pundits, really only Nick Wright seems to be calling out. GMFB did a whole Mahomes vs. Brady GOAT segment. Even as a huge Chiefs homer, bleh. It's not Mahomes this year. Mahomes' job Sunday was to make a few great plays, get a lead so Lamar and the Ravens would panic, and then not make mistakes.
He was a game manager for most of that game. Which he's embraced because he just wants to win and doesn't give a crap about style points or his individual stats (which yes is a form of greatness).
Oh yeah, and make one more great play to seal it. This year, Mahomes is basically what Joe Montana was for the Chiefs. Just go out there, lean on the defense, make a few great plays, and don't choke in the big moments.
W/o our championship defense this year, even Mahomes couldn't have hero-balled that offense to the Super Bowl. But that's no fun for national pundit narratives. [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
I still consider Cincy a top threat in the AFC - probably right there neck and neck with Buffalo for 2024.
But I am damn sure excited to see how they navigate roster changes as their offense is forced to evolve. Their OL hasn't been good, but no, I don't think Burrow does them favors either.
The thing about Cincy is they won't panic like the Ravens if we get up 10 in a playoff game. They've been there and know they can win. That's scary. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
So your counterpoint to a point being made about Burrow shrinking in the playoffs is to bring up 3 games, of which 2 are in the regular season? Not too bright.
How about you point to a playoff game where Burrow got the ball in the fourth and led his team with a TD pass in the fourth quarter? Can you do that?
My counterpoint touched on exactly what you posted.
Who gives a flying **** if he's thrown a TD in the 4th quarter when he's 5-2 in the playoffs. Throwing or not throwing a TD "in the 4th quarter" is a stat someone had to search for to make a dumb point. Burrow has 'needed' to throw a TD in the 4th quarter, and failed, 1 time; against the Rams and he had Ja'Marr wide open but only had about 1.3 seconds to get the ball off thanks to Aaron Donald.
You could argue the Chiefs game last year, but he didn't really 'need' a TD since they were down 3. [Reply]
wachashi 01-31-2024, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Yeah Burrow isn't bad, it's the rest of your trash-talking turds. But while Mahomes actively tries to put the clamps on that stuff, Burrow seems to silently encourage it. FAFO
Now that Eli Apple is gone, there's only one guy that openly talks actal shit. Ja'Marr. Mike Hilton's "see you in Burrowhead" was just him being goofy and giving them a little poke. He's too nice to talk actual shit. Burrow has never said anything bad about KC.
You're getting a bunch of dumb fans and a dipshit Mayor mixed in with the team. Remind me again if there were any dust ups in pregame before either Bengals V Chiefs AFCCGs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
My counterpoint touched on exactly what you posted.
Who gives a flying **** if he's thrown a TD in the 4th quarter when he's 5-2 in the playoffs. Throwing or not throwing a TD "in the 4th quarter" is a stat someone had to search for to make a dumb point. Burrow has 'needed' to throw a TD in the 4th quarter, and failed, 1 time; against the Rams and he had Ja'Marr wide open but only had about 1.3 seconds to get the ball off thanks to Aaron Donald.
You could argue the Chiefs game last year, but he didn't really 'need' a TD since they were down 3.
And they have what, one TD at all in the fourth in the playoffs? I’m guessing in those two losses his team could have benefited from a TD drive. And they also got bailed out against the Ravens. Burrow wasn’t winning that game. [Reply]
