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Deberg_1990 07:06 AM 12-02-2021
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To our Fans:

I first want to thank you for your continued support of the great game of baseball. This past season, we were reminded of how the national pastime can bring us together and restore our hope despite the difficult challenges of a global pandemic. As we began to emerge from one of the darkest periods in our history, our ballparks were filled with fans; the games were filled with excitement; and millions of families felt the joy of watching baseball together.

That is why I am so disappointed about the situation in which our game finds itself today. Despite the league’s best efforts to make a deal with the Players Association, we were unable to extend our 26 year-long history of labor peace and come to an agreement with the MLBPA before the current CBA expired. Therefore, we have been forced to commence a lockout of Major League players, effective at 12:01am ET on December 2.

I want to explain to you how we got here and why we have to take this action today. Simply put, we believe that an offseason lockout is the best mechanism to protect the 2022 season. We hope that the lockout will jumpstart the negotiations and get us to an agreement that will allow the season to start on time. This defensive lockout was necessary because the Players Association’s vision for Major League Baseball would threaten the ability of most teams to be competitive. It’s simply not a viable option. From the beginning, the MLBPA has been unwilling to move from their starting position, compromise, or collaborate on solutions.

When we began negotiations over a new agreement, the Players Association already had a contract that they wouldn’t trade for any other in sports. Baseball’s players have no salary cap and are not subjected to a maximum length or dollar amount on contracts. In fact, only MLB has guaranteed contracts that run 10 or more years, and in excess of $300 million. We have not proposed anything that would change these fundamentals. While we have heard repeatedly that free agency is “broken” – in the month of November $1.7 billion was committed to free agents, smashing the prior record by nearly 4x. By the end of the offseason, Clubs will have committed more money to players than in any offseason in MLB history.

We worked hard to find compromise while making the system even better for players, by addressing concerns raised by the Players Association. We offered to establish a minimum payroll for all clubs to meet for the first time in baseball history; to allow the majority of players to reach free agency earlier through an age-based system that would eliminate any claims of service time manipulation; and to increase compensation for all young players, including increases in the minimum salary. When negotiations lacked momentum, we tried to create some by offering to accept the universal Designated Hitter, to create a new draft system using a lottery similar to other leagues, and to increase the Competitive Balance Tax threshold that affects only a small number of teams.

We have had challenges before with respect to making labor agreements and have overcome those challenges every single time during my tenure. Regrettably, it appears the Players Association came to the bargaining table with a strategy of confrontation over compromise. They never wavered from collectively the most extreme set of proposals in their history, including significant cuts to the revenue-sharing system, a weakening of the competitive balance tax, and shortening the period of time that players play for their teams. All of these changes would make our game less competitive, not more.

To be clear: this hard but important step does not necessarily mean games will be cancelled. In fact, we are taking this step now because it accelerates the urgency for an agreement with as much runway as possible to avoid doing damage to the 2022 season. Delaying this process further would only put Spring Training, Opening Day, and the rest of the season further at risk – and we cannot allow an expired agreement to again cause an in-season strike and a missed World Series, like we experienced in 1994. We all owe you, our fans, better than that.

Today is a difficult day for baseball, but as I have said all year, there is a path to a fair agreement, and we will find it. I do not doubt the League and the Players share a fundamental appreciation for this game and a commitment to its fans. I remain optimistic that both sides will seize the opportunity to work together to grow, protect, and strengthen the game we love. MLB is ready to work around the clock to meet that goal. I urge the Players Association to join us at the table.
Manfred

Read a letter from the Commissioner: https://t.co/P4gRGSlfsu pic.twitter.com/zI40uGLTni

— MLB (@MLB) December 2, 2021



Statement from the Major League Baseball Players Association: pic.twitter.com/34uIGf762W

— MLBPA Communications (@MLBPA_News) December 2, 2021

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suzzer99 01:27 PM 02-21-2022
Well at the very least they would time their non-tanking window to coincide with the new ballpark.

Well on second thought those are the two teams who seem to have figured out how to win w/o tanking.
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Ocotillo 01:42 PM 02-21-2022
Three-hit Whit is participating in today's labor negotiations.

Player contingent includes Scherzer, Castro, Lindor, Taillon, Nimmo, Goldschmidt, Suter, Merrifield, Rogers, Gray pic.twitter.com/2pUain8Fg0

— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) February 21, 2022

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Ocotillo 05:05 PM 02-21-2022

Meeting breaking up. Among MLB proposals today: MLB raised its prearbitration bonus pool $5 million, to $20 million. Still a very large gap compared to players’ proposal. MLB also proposed to allow one more draft pick to be determined by lottery, now top 4. Players had proposed 8

— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) February 21, 2022

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kstater 07:36 PM 02-21-2022
Originally Posted by Ocotillo:

Man, the owners are really coming to the middle. The 20 million is getting close to the 115m the players are at now.
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Ocotillo 06:44 PM 02-23-2022

A Major League Baseball spokesperson said tonight that if a deal is not in place by Feb. 28, regular season games will be canceled. “A deadline is a deadline,” the spokesperson said. Player pay would not be recouped, nor would those games be rescheduled, the spokesperson said.

— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) February 23, 2022

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suzzer99 06:04 PM 02-24-2022

Ok. I will get bombarded with stats about payroll vs. wins, but the truth is only one small-revenue team (the Royals) has won a title in baseball in the last 30 years. Teams with massive local TV revenue have an unfair advantage. That is a broken system. (1)

— Jeffrey Flanagan (@FlannyMLB) February 24, 2022


David Glass understood this predicament and fought hard for a level playing field during the ‘94 work stoppage. His efforts fell through because the big-revenue owners back then were short sighted, not realizing, as the NFL did, that when the tide goes up, all boats go up. (3)

— Jeffrey Flanagan (@FlannyMLB) February 24, 2022


Mr. K would have thought a “luxury tax” on the big markets would be laughable. That tax to those owners is simply the cost of business, trying to buy a title. A hard ceiling, a hard floor, and serious TV revenue sharing is the only answer for competitive balance.

— Jeffrey Flanagan (@FlannyMLB) February 24, 2022


That is the beauty of the NFL — we almost never talk about payroll, other than what every team’s capologists have to do. It is a level playing field. The Chiefs, Packers, Bengals, Steelers and Bucs can stick it to the Jets and Giants and Bears and Cowboys every year.

— Jeffrey Flanagan (@FlannyMLB) February 24, 2022




Flanny can afford to tell it like it is, because he's retired.
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BigRedChief 06:23 PM 02-24-2022
He’s right and everyone knows it. Teams spending $200 million have an advantage over teams spending $70 million. Who disputes that?

Not getting a salary cap that might save baseball for future generations so how about Instead of arguing over how much to pay players in the 0-6 years how about you do something about the pace of play? Try to do something to even the playing field between teams?
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MarkDavis'Haircut 06:25 PM 02-24-2022
Originally Posted by suzzer99:










Flanny can afford to tell it like it is, because he's retired.
All truths spoken.

Baseball doesn't get it.
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jd1020 06:25 PM 02-24-2022
The Royals may not have the TV contract of a Yankees or Dodgers but their contract brings in damn near as much money as their active roster costs. Before any kind of revenue brought in from ticket sales, concessions, etc... their team is pratically fucking paid for.

Imagine if the Chiefs let Patrick Mahomes walk after decades of retread backup trash when they could afford to keep him. That's one of the bigger problems with baseball owners, not the spending of the Yankees and Dodgers. Baseball is no more or less balanced than any other fucking sport, look at the numbers.

Your very own Whit Merrifield said owners need to stop crying poor when they aint broke.
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chiefzilla1501 06:27 PM 02-24-2022
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
He’s right and everyone knows it. Teams spending $200 million have an advantage over teams spending $70 million. Who disputes that?
One of the biggest disadvantages in baseball is a team that spends drunkenly and gets tied to a gazillion dollar contract. It’s not like the nfl where you can cut bait and run. It’s an issue but not nearly as big an issue as others make it. If you want better parity, what’s needed way more is a salary floor for cheapskate owners and for Manfred to stop juicing the game for more offense.
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Sassy Squatch 06:32 PM 02-24-2022
Be interesting to see just how bad the long term ramifications of this will be.
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Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan 06:33 PM 02-24-2022

Meetings are done. Progress was minimal. There are four days left for MLB and the MLBPA to get a new labor deal or regular-season games are going to be canceled. They've had four days to move and there's been next to nothing -- just incremental. And that's that.

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) February 24, 2022



Doesn't sound good
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KChiefs1 07:10 PM 02-24-2022
Another shortened season.

MLB circling the toilet bowl.


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poolboy 07:12 PM 02-24-2022
Originally Posted by Carr4MVP:
All truths spoken.

Baseball doesn't get it.

stop quoting 3 pages of text for a dumbass, one sentence take at the end
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MarkDavis'Haircut 08:09 PM 02-24-2022
Originally Posted by poolboy:
stop quoting 3 pages of text for a dumbass, one sentence take at the end
Make me.
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