Originally Posted by backinblack:
Kia's have been great cars in recent years. They've come a long way from the crap they built 15-20 years ago. Dodge, yeah that's a bit of a surprise.
My brother bought a Kia Stinger a few months ago. It is a nice and fast car.
Originally Posted by GloryDayz:
Their claim, or when it'll actually ship?
You know, the Tesla Truck would be a very effective way to avoid getting shot by Antifa and BLM. When they are blocking the street, you can drive slowly through, pestering them about, without fear from being shot through your bulletproof vehicle.
Originally Posted by BWillie:
You know, the Tesla Truck would be a very effective way to avoid getting shot by Antifa and BLM. When they are blocking the street, you can drive slowly through, pestering them about, without fear from being shot through your bulletproof vehicle.
California regulators approved new rules on Thursday that would force automakers to sell more electric work trucks and delivery vans, a first-of-its-kind rule aimed at helping the nation's most populous state clean up its worst-in-the-nation air quality.
The rules, which would not take effect until 2024, will require at least 40% of all tractor trailers sold in California to be zero emission by 2035. For smaller trucks, including models like the Ford F-250, 55% of all sales would be zero emission by 2035. The standard is the toughest for delivery trucks and vans, with 75% of sales required to be zero emission by 2035.
California already has similar rules in place for passenger vehicle sales. But no one has yet imposed rules like these for work trucks, which unlike passenger vehicles are purchased with the intent of returning a profit.
At the last minute, the board also set a goal of making government fleets and last mile delivery trucks entirely electric five years earlier than previously envisioned, by 2035.
California regulators approved new rules on Thursday that would force automakers to sell more electric work trucks and delivery vans, a first-of-its-kind rule aimed at helping the nation's most populous state clean up its worst-in-the-nation air quality.
The rules, which would not take effect until 2024, will require at least 40% of all tractor trailers sold in California to be zero emission by 2035. For smaller trucks, including models like the Ford F-250, 55% of all sales would be zero emission by 2035. The standard is the toughest for delivery trucks and vans, with 75% of sales required to be zero emission by 2035.
California already has similar rules in place for passenger vehicle sales. But no one has yet imposed rules like these for work trucks, which unlike passenger vehicles are purchased with the intent of returning a profit.
At the last minute, the board also set a goal of making government fleets and last mile delivery trucks entirely electric five years earlier than previously envisioned, by 2035.
(More at link.)
Why in the world did you put that in red font? It's virtually unreadable if you're using ChiefsPlanet Dark. Argh. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan:
Why in the world did you put that in red font? It's virtually unreadable if you're using ChiefsPlanet Dark. Argh.
To communicate that I didn't write it. It was the ethical thing to do. You should come to the light. [Reply]
California regulators approved new rules on Thursday that would force automakers to sell more electric work trucks and delivery vans, a first-of-its-kind rule aimed at helping the nation's most populous state clean up its worst-in-the-nation air quality.
The rules, which would not take effect until 2024, will require at least 40% of all tractor trailers sold in California to be zero emission by 2035. For smaller trucks, including models like the Ford F-250, 55% of all sales would be zero emission by 2035. The standard is the toughest for delivery trucks and vans, with 75% of sales required to be zero emission by 2035.
California already has similar rules in place for passenger vehicle sales. But no one has yet imposed rules like these for work trucks, which unlike passenger vehicles are purchased with the intent of returning a profit.
At the last minute, the board also set a goal of making government fleets and last mile delivery trucks entirely electric five years earlier than previously envisioned, by 2035.
(More at link.)
Sounds like California is going to lose all its truck sales. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
Sounds like California is going to lose all its truck sales.
Eh, maybe. IF they can get electric trucks worked out, they'll likely be very competitive. In an industry in which the bottom line rules, the cheap cost of electricity and low maintenance would be a huge bonus. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Eh, maybe. IF they can get electric trucks worked out, they'll likely be very competitive. In an industry in which the bottom line rules, the cheap cost of electricity and low maintenance would be a huge bonus.
They are not low maintenance really. They are worse for the environment when you calculate that the batteries cannot be truly disposed of or recycled. Look at how bad the Prius and others like it are for the planet.
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
They are not low maintenance really. They are worse for the environment when you calculate that the batteries cannot be truly disposed of or recycled. Look at how bad the Prius and others like it are for the planet.
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You're uninformed on this. You can find all sorts of information if you care to look for it, but here's one that took 5 seconds of Googling to find. While manufacturing processes do create environmental impacts (which is true of any product), the only way an EV will ever be worse for the environment than a gas vehicle is if you just ignore tailpipe emissions entirely (and even then, EVs aren't MUCH worse than gas vehicles).
On top of that, EVs get cleaner over time. On the manufacturing side, that's due to better efficiencies and innovation. (Remember that EVs are really still in their infancy, so manufacturing is improving rapidly.) On the use side, it's also being driven by the fact that the power grid is rapidly getting cleaner due to more wind, solar, etc. being added.
So in short, the argument that EVs are worse for the environment has always been BS, but it's becoming even more BS as time goes on. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
They are not low maintenance really. They are worse for the environment when you calculate that the batteries cannot be truly disposed of or recycled. Look at how bad the Prius and others like it are for the planet.
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Cost of ownership is way way less on a Tesla than a ICE. I have both. Trust me. Look up Tesla Loop study. The cost of ownership and maintenance required was very little. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
They are not low maintenance really. They are worse for the environment when you calculate that the batteries cannot be truly disposed of or recycled. Look at how bad the Prius and others like it are for the planet.
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I've never seen so much misinformation in one post.
1. Gasoline is inefficient. Best case is 28% efficient in the average car and it only goes down from there. Most every is lost to heat. So kWh/kWh, electric requires 1/4 - 1/3 less energy. Even the dirtiest coal plant is still cleaner, you underestimate his dirty fossil fuels and their supply chains are
2. Batteries are absolutely recyclable as metals are nearly infinitely recyclable. The average Tesla battery is worth about $1000 to a recycler at end-of-life. Redwood Materials created by Tesla longtime #2 JB Straubel already recycled batteries and turns the minerals into battery ready products which they sell to actual customers.
Stop repeating lies you've heard for the last 20 yrs.