Originally Posted by The Franchise:
This isn’t Chiefs related but I’m doing another mock draft and the Jets gave up the following to go from 2 to 1 for Lawrence.
#2, #23, #34, a 2022 1st and a 2022 2nd.
It's worth it to get a franchise QB.
But I think the Jets may have a chance to get the better player at 2. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
SDSU's Cade Johnson also would fit for the slot.
I think he's less explosive but a lot more polished and dangerous as a slot guy than Darden.
Yea I’ve mentioned Cade Johnson as well before. Along with Darden, Shi Smith, and Marlon Williams (big slot), I think that’s a very good group in the middle rounds. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
FWIW....Chris Simms has released his QB list and he has Zach Wilson at #1 and Lawrence at #2.
And Simms has been pretty much on the money lately.
He had Allen and Lamar as the two best coming out in 2019, and he had Burrow and Herbert last year.
I don’t think it’s crazy at all to prefer Wilson. Lawrence is a great prospect with a very high floor, but he’s a bit overrated in terms of the hype. [Reply]
I have a feeling Mac Jones and Justin Fields will go in the first round as well, even though they're not top flight prospects. Some team will do it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
I have a feeling Mac Jones and Justin Fields will go in the first round as well, even though they're not top flight prospects. Some team will do it.
For sure. I just think there are still a lot of teams clueless on how to scout a QB.
Mac Jones is polished and has mental traits but his arm talent and athleticism are not NFL plus.
Fields has nice athleticism but doesn't process the field well.
If an NFL GM takes Fields top ten then everyone in that FO is getting fired in 2 or 3 years. [Reply]
Sorry fellas, I can't be on board with Wilson over Lawrence, and that's me thinking Wilson is light year's better than the rest of the crop after the two of them. I really like Wilson and he shows some Mahomie-like traits throwing off-platform, but he's not Mahomes and he's not as good as Lawrence at anything. It's not even necessarily that close for me.
Mac Jones has enough arm talent and the smarts to be extremely successful in a place like New England or really, any system that focuses more on shallower West Coast/Erhardt Perkins schemes than deeper Air Coryell schemes. I could see fits in Chicago, Pittsburgh, Philly, New Orleans, Indy, Minnesota, and so on. Aside from Wilson and Lawrence, I'd put him as most likely to succeed if I'm being honest.
I have serious reservations about Fields and Lance. Lance, while I like enough, I feel he's Alex Smith. He looks good at what he does in college, but not 100% of it translates and what does makes me think he's going to be more content with the checkdown than he is trying to make a play, and that's not good enough but it'll win you games.
As for Fields, I couldn't even take him in the 1st. He's way too far behind in the mental processing department and really should be more like a 3rd round pick. That said, teams see those flashes of when he does it all right and it's big-time. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Sorry fellas, I can't be on board with Wilson over Lawrence, and that's me thinking Wilson is light year's better than the rest of the crop after the two of them. I really like Wilson and he shows some Mahomie-like traits throwing off-platform, but he's not Mahomes and he's not as good as Lawrence at anything. It's not even necessarily that close for me.
Mac Jones has enough arm talent and the smarts to be extremely successful in a place like New England or really, any system that focuses more on shallower West Coast/Erhardt Perkins schemes than deeper Air Coryell schemes. I could see fits in Chicago, Pittsburgh, Philly, New Orleans, Indy, Minnesota, and so on. Aside from Wilson and Lawrence, I'd put him as most likely to succeed if I'm being honest.
I have serious reservations about Fields and Lance. Lance, while I like enough, I feel he's Alex Smith. He looks good at what he does in college, but not 100% of it translates and what does makes me think he's going to be more content with the checkdown than he is trying to make a play, and that's not good enough but it'll win you games.
As for Fields, I couldn't even take him in the 1st. He's way too far behind in the mental processing department and really should be more like a 3rd round pick. That said, teams see those flashes of when he does it all right and it's big-time.
Mac Jones reminds me a lot of Daniel Jones, honestly. I think he could be a solid, if unspectacular, QB in the league but somebody is going to take him higher than they should. Jones' only real problem is ball security (fumbles) - he's actually a plus passer. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Sorry fellas, I can't be on board with Wilson over Lawrence, and that's me thinking Wilson is light year's better than the rest of the crop after the two of them. I really like Wilson and he shows some Mahomie-like traits throwing off-platform, but he's not Mahomes and he's not as good as Lawrence at anything. It's not even necessarily that close for me.
Mac Jones has enough arm talent and the smarts to be extremely successful in a place like New England or really, any system that focuses more on shallower West Coast/Erhardt Perkins schemes than deeper Air Coryell schemes. I could see fits in Chicago, Pittsburgh, Philly, New Orleans, Indy, Minnesota, and so on. Aside from Wilson and Lawrence, I'd put him as most likely to succeed if I'm being honest.
I have serious reservations about Fields and Lance. Lance, while I like enough, I feel he's Alex Smith. He looks good at what he does in college, but not 100% of it translates and what does makes me think he's going to be more content with the checkdown than he is trying to make a play, and that's not good enough but it'll win you games.
As for Fields, I couldn't even take him in the 1st. He's way too far behind in the mental processing department and really should be more like a 3rd round pick. That said, teams see those flashes of when he does it all right and it's big-time.
That’s all fair and you’re probably right.
I’ve just become really skeptical of QBs from power programs. Lawrence has never really dealt with adversity and has always had a talent advantage around him.
He’s what you build in a lab if you’re making a QB, though. [Reply]