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Now that the full 11-minute recording of Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill and his now former fiancee, Crystal Espinal, talking about violence in their relationship has been aired, many fans are saying wow, this changes everything.
It does? That Hill, who didn’t know Espinal was taping him, denies ever hitting her or their son in what he thought was a private conversation is neither surprising nor exculpatory.
Abusers typically tell not only the police but friends, family, therapists, priests and even themselves they’ve never done anything wrong.
And if anything, the fact that Hill now says he didn’t hit punch or choke Espinal in 2014 makes him look worse rather than better. He pleaded guilty to those charges, publicly apologized, went through extensive therapy and declared himself reformed after probation. If he’s now back to saying that none of this ever happened, that’s not just a lie but a worrying one.
“I didn’t touch you in 2014,” he says on the tape. “And put that on everything I love, bro. That’s the real truth.”
That Espinal isn’t screaming at him that no, it’s not the truth, real or otherwise, is taken by some supporters as proof that he is innocent.
But why a woman who has been injured by him before and he’s threatening to hurt again might not do that should be obvious.
When she instead repeatedly asks him where her bruises came from if he never hit her, he doesn’t answer because there isn’t an answer that he likes well enough to repeat.
On Thursday, Espinal filed a petition in Johnson County seeking a paternity test for their newborn twins. She has full custody of them — they live with her — and she is asking for child support and only supervised visits for Hill. Her lawyer in the matter is legal counsel for SAFEHOME, a Johnson County group that supports survivors of domestic violence.
The NFL, meanwhile, seems ready to let Hill off with a brief suspension because the legal case against him isn’t going anywhere, but these things are still true:
Hill’s son was removed from his home after a child abuse investigation was launched. The Johnson County district attorney said the 3-year-old child had been hurt, but he didn’t have enough proof to prosecute.
On the tape, we heard Hill threaten the mother of his children with physical violence: “You need to be scared of me, too, dumb bitch.” He berates and belittles, calls her “bro” and “bitch” and of course, claims she ruined his life.
Denial of all wrongdoing is so standard in abuse cases that just a look at Thursday’s Star provides other examples, including that of Scott Hacker, the now former Parkville police officer charged with domestic violence after allegedly shooting his gun inside his home, throwing the woman who called 911 onto the couch, grabbing her by the throat and blaming her for “ending his career” by calling for help. Both before and after the cops arrived, he said he hadn’t shot the gun or touched her. But oops: A security camera in the living room apparently recorded the assault.
What Espinal was trying to get was the audio equivalent of that video.
If the NFL lets Hill back on the field this season, it will send the message that making threats and showing you’ve learned nothing from probation is no real problem, as long as you can run fast enough. The help he needs is not more denial, but just the opposite.
To the rest of you who are intent on seeing Hill as the victim, KCTV as a villain for not immediately releasing the full tape, and Espinal as a “manipulator” for wanting evidence to back her up in court, we could suggest some reading on the well-researched subject of abuse. But why, when you seem to prefer not to know?
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
“I suspect that you would not appreciate me calling your employer demanding that you be fired.”
Yeah... well we aren’t the ones who almost ruined a guy’s fucking reputation, career, and long term well-being with complete and total ignorance & negligence.
If I do anything like they have in my line of work, I’m a G-O-N-E-R. No questions asked.
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88: "I suspect that you would not appreciate me calling your employer demanding that you be fired".
Maybe he now knows how Tyreek must feel when the KC Star and other fake news outlets have been calling for Tyreek's employer (the Chiefs/NFL) to fire him.
rofl
He says that when that's exactly what they've been doing. Only difference is they manufactured their evidence.
Highlights: - Vice President/ Editorial Page Editor, Kansas City Star
- Pulitzer Prize for editorial writing
- Chronicled three presidential campaigns
- 2016: crossed the country with Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders
- White House reporter for The Wall Street Journal, President Obama administration
And if there is any question about what this entity stands for, see their mission statement:
The mission of the Emily Taylor Center for Women & Gender Equity (ETC) at the University of Kansas is to provide leadership and advocacy in promoting gender equity and challenge gender-related barriers which impede full access, inclusion, and success. Approaching our work from a social justice lens, we practice intersectional trans-inclusive feminism to promote gender equity by raising awareness of critical issues related to gender and sexism, providing opportunities to translate awareness into action, and empowering individuals to advocate for themselves and others.
Rock Chalk... the KC Star Editorial Page Editor is a radical feminazi who hates all types of cock. [Reply]
Highlights: - Vice President/ Editorial Page Editor, Kansas City Star
- Pulitzer Prize for editorial writing
- Chronicled three presidential campaigns
- 2016: crossed the country with Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders
- White House reporter for The Wall Street Journal, President Obama administration
And if there is any question about what this entity stands for, see their mission statement:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
look at KCTV and the Star defending each other :-)
Wants confidentiality for his employees. Wants to air a recording of Tyreek's personal family issues/discussions that he didn't know were being taped. [Reply]
I was thinking more about their version of the audio, "you didn't ride for me in 2014 and you aren't riding for me now" makes a huge difference after they took it out of context.
Hearing that the first time I interpreted it as you didn't cover for me then an you aren't now.
With the additional context I hear you lied on me then and your lying on me now.
That's a huge difference. I don't really do video stuff anymore but I wonder if the audio from the KCTV5 "interview" can be cut up to sound bad. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
The Star editorial board appears to be a convenient excuse for hardcore libs who usually write about social issues to wail away on Tyreek Hill to satisfy their perverted sense of justice.
It wouldn't surprise me if a single one of the sports staff has a damn thing to do with any of those editorials.
That doesn't exonerate the sports staff, but it does make you feel a tiny bit sorry for them.
There are some real assholes in power at the Star.
As always we need to burn it all down so it can be built properly [Reply]
