Originally Posted by The Franchise:
Trade to who? Why would another team want to trade assets for that guy and then have to pay them....when they could just draft their own guy?
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
It would take smart and patient ownership, but the truth of the matter is that you're not winning Super Bowls without a top ten QB minimum in this NFL-and if that QB is no longer on his rookie deal, he'll have to be top five.
If your guy IS NOT top 5 or top 10 on their rookie deal, do not pay him. There's no point, it only cripples the rest of your roster.
I don't care if I just have to let Jones walk for nothing, I don't pay that mediocrity. I can get mediocre for a lot less.
Actually, I guess they'd probably get like a compensatory 3rd if they did that. Better than nothing.
That formula CAN work IF the GM wheeling and dealing is an ace in acquiring talent in place of not over paying/trading away a QB. It's very rare to have the gold standard that is Brett Veach.
The safest route for a GM is to pay the sub-elite QB elite money. That's why guys like Murray and Prescott got the deals they did. The organization doesn't trust their ability to replace them, move in another direction.
Veach is young, it's going to be a while before he's faced with anything like that. This truly is the golden age of Chiefs football. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15:
The man knows how to build an offense. Russell Wilson is the best QB he's had since Breese retired and it's not even close.
So you think Payton is going to turn mid 30’s athletically declining Russ into some version of Drew Brees, huh?
Sean Payton made Drew Brees, Teddy Bridewater and Jamies Winston all look very good. Yes he’s a Donkey now but that doesn’t mean he’s not one of the best offensive coaches.
People get butthurt and think that means that’s saying they’re better. I think Sean Payton will make Russ look decent again.
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
It would take smart and patient ownership, but the truth of the matter is that you're not winning Super Bowls without a top ten QB minimum in this NFL-and if that QB is no longer on his rookie deal, he'll have to be top five.
If your guy IS NOT top 5 or top 10 on their rookie deal, do not pay him. There's no point, it only cripples the rest of your roster.
I don't care if I just have to let Jones walk for nothing, I don't pay that mediocrity. I can get mediocre for a lot less.
Actually, I guess they'd probably get like a compensatory 3rd if they did that. Better than nothing.
My guess for why you pay a guy like Daniel Jones or Derek Carr is to avoid rock bottom. Cause at least then you're still selling tickets and keeping things interesting. But even still, it'll never lead to anything. Some owners just don't fucking care, it seems. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin:
So you think Payton is going to turn mid 30’s athletically declining Russ into some version of Drew Brees, huh?
Interesting take.
They will be improved, yes. But Payton isn't in the NFCS anymore. Unless it's is substantial improvement then it could easily fall short of what's needed. If they get swept by the Chargers then split games with the Raiders, that's five losses right there. They have a small margin for error. So yeah, I'm not sure how dramatic the improvement will be. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15:
They will be improved, yes. But Payton isn't in the NFCS anymore. Unless it's is substantial improvement then it could easily fall short of what's needed. If they get swept by the Chargers then split games with the Raiders, that's five losses right there. They have a small margin for error. So yeah, I'm not sure how dramatic the improvement will be.
Vegas thinks DEN will win 8 games (8.5). That's probably close. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15:
They will be improved, yes. But Payton isn't in the NFCS anymore. Unless it's is substantial improvement then it could easily fall short of what's needed. If they get swept by the Chargers then split games with the Raiders, that's five losses right there. They have a small margin for error. So yeah, I'm not sure how dramatic the improvement will be.
I suppose that’s a fair statement.
I don’t know. I just really don’t see it with DangeRuss. I suppose I could be wrong, but I just can’t envision a scenario this year of the Donkos hitting above .500. I see it much more probable for another double digit loss season, but I guess we’ll see . . . . . [Reply]
Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin:
I suppose that’s a fair statement.
I don’t know. I just really don’t see it with DangeRuss. I suppose I could be wrong, but I just can’t envision a scenario this year of the Donkos hitting above .500. I see it much more probable for another double digit loss season, but I guess we’ll see . . . . .
Well, they won five games last year. If the jump up to eight wins then that's solid improvement. That's all I'm saying. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15:
That formula CAN work IF the GM wheeling and dealing is an ace in acquiring talent in place of not over paying/trading away a QB. It's very rare to have the gold standard that is Brett Veach.
The safest route for a GM is to pay the sub-elite QB elite money. That's why guys like Murray and Prescott got the deals they did. The organization doesn't trust their ability to replace them, move in another direction.
Veach is young, it's going to be a while before he's faced with anything like that. This truly is the golden age of Chiefs football.
If were an owner, and my GM came to me with this plan, I'd fire them all. Because it tells me they're not good enough to win Super Bowls. They can't identify, draft, and develop talent, and they're playing for mediocre.
I'd rather have a guy tell me-Hey, this guy's just not going to be better than middle of the pack at best. I think we should cut him loose, sign a stop-gap, and try again in the draft.
Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15:
Well, they won five games last year. If the jump up to eight wins then that's solid improvement. That's all I'm saying.
It's still a respectable defense. If they run the ball, play-action pass, and play defense, yeah, they could squeak out 8.
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
If were an owner, and my GM came to me with this plan, I'd fire them all. Because it tells me they're not good enough to win Super Bowls. They can't identify, draft, and develop talent, and they're playing for mediocre.
I'd rather have a guy tell me-Hey, this guy's just not going to be better than middle of the pack at best. I think we should cut him loose, sign a stop-gap, and try again in the draft.
THAT I can respect.
**** operating from a cowardly stance.
That's basically what the Raiders are doing with Jimmy, SEA with Geno, NO when Winston was doing alright. It kind of evens out. In the end DAL paid Prescott and are not much further ahead. It's a tough call.
A total failure is a team like ARZ bottoming out. Can't have that, coach did get fired. They replaced him with some random goober. [Reply]