Originally Posted by Molitoth:
I was taught that "if you can touch it, you can catch it" and for the most part I took accountability on that statement.
Receivers/fans wanting every pass right in the numbers are living in a fantasy world, but I feel this demand is right in line with today's spoiled humanity.
The statistics are clear as day in terms of how much blame should go to Kelce and Tyreek for the offense's struggles.
Kelce leads the NFL with 10 dropped passes.
Tyreek is up there with 7 dropped passes.
Many of those drops were tipped balls resulting in INT's. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
The statistics are clear as day in terms of how much blame should go to Kelce and Tyreek for the offense's struggles.
Kelce leads the NFL with 10 dropped passes.
Tyreek is up there with 7 dropped passes.
Many of those drops were tipped balls resulting in INT's.
Some fumbles in opponent territory by those guys as well. If they can find a way to cut out 70% of this stuff, it would go a long way to making a strong run in the playoffs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15:
Just read a quote from Mahomes in The Athletic where he says the Hill INT is on him - too high and too hard - that if he places it on him properly, Tyreek probably scores.
Love our QB.
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“I’m going to go through the play regardless as to who is at what position and what the read is,” Mahomes said. “Coach [Andy] Reid does a good job of kind of maneuvering it so we can get it back to them pretty quickly there. Like I said, some of the dropped passes — people get hung on them even the one in the game that got intercepted, if I throw the ball in a better spot and he makes the catch, probably splits and scores. I threw it high and hard, and it gets tipped up and picked.
That's awesome. If a pete or whomever says some garbage about Mahomes within greater KC proper, I'm not sure they make it out unscathed. They certainly shouldn't. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15:
Just read a quote from Mahomes in The Athletic where he says the Hill INT is on him - too high and too hard - that if he places it on him properly, Tyreek probably scores.
Since his rookie year Mahomes has had the the standard leadership rules down pat. A great play is 'we' and a bad play is 'me'.
Mahomes taking a bullet doesn't mean much - he's secure enough in his standing that he knows the rules. He's not going to go out there and say "I can't throw it and catch it..."
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15:
Just read a quote from Mahomes in The Athletic where he says the Hill INT is on him - too high and too hard - that if he places it on him properly, Tyreek probably scores.
Sure. In theory.
But DJLN's post is hard to disagree with. I think in the film room, they know that if he sticks it on Tyreek in stride, that's a better play. That pass probably gets knocked down though. Is a knock down better than a pick? In hindsight. But is a knockdown better than a catchable ball? Usually not.
That's a pile of speculation on my end, but what I won't speculate about is that there is a 0% chance Mahomes will say, "Nope, I got the ball there, Hill biffed it." That's never happening. Ever. [Reply]
But DJLN's post is hard to disagree with. I think in the film room, they know that if he sticks it on Tyreek in stride, that's a better play. That pass probably gets knocked down though. Is a knock down better than a pick? In hindsight. But is a knockdown better than a catchable ball? Usually not.
That's a pile of speculation on my end, but what I won't speculate about is that there is a 0% chance Mahomes will say, "Nope, I got the ball there, Hill biffed it." That's never happening. Ever.
Not with these teammates - no. Mahomes got a battlefield commission with these guys. He ascended to leadership past them. They were good, established NFL players before he came on the scene. That level of respect will NEVER allow him to do something like that.
But when he's 30 and trying to shepherd some green rookie through his mistakes? Eh...maybe? I mean look at how differently he handles Hardman than Hill. Sure, part of it's that Hill's a HoF player, but part of it could be that Mahomes has never felt compelled to offer any deference to Hardman. I could see him letting some frustration show going forward as he becomes the greybeard in the room. It's just human nature. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Since his rookie year Mahomes has had the the standard leadership rules down pat. A great play is 'we' and a bad play is 'me'.
Mahomes taking a bullet doesn't mean much - he's secure enough in his standing that he knows the rules. He's not going to go out there and say "I can't throw it and catch it..."
The throw was fine.
That goes back to his college days. Never saw him throw teammates or coaches under the bus, even though we clearly had a lot of problems at Tech with our roster (especially on defense) and coaching. He always stayed very positive in his words about the people around him. [Reply]
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But even as Mahomes is throwing more picks than ever, he says they’re not really affecting him.
“I mean it just happens, it’s part of football,” Mahomes said in his Wednesday press conference. “Luckily enough, our defense is playing good enough that whenever they happen, they’re able to get stops and get turnovers or whatever it is and not let it impact the team. But you understand that turnovers are a huge part of this game. Our defense is getting a lot of turnovers and winning that turnover battle. I’ll try to limit them as much as possible, but at the same time I have to be me and continue to throw the football and give guys chances to make plays.”
That same article noted that Mahomes presently has the highest rate of 'on target' passes of his career.
The kid's playing fine. That rate is inclusive of a 3 week stretch where he WAS struggling. And he's still throwing better than 3/4 of his passes on target.
Mahomes is back, fellas. His teammates need to join him. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
That same article noted that Mahomes presently has the highest rate of 'on target' passes of his career.
The kid's playing fine. That rate is inclusive of a 3 week stretch where he WAS struggling. And he's still throwing better than 3/4 of his passes on target.
Mahomes is back, fellas. His teammates need to join him.
You forgot this part
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But Mahomes is also on pace to have a career-high percentage of passes that Pro Football Reference considers a poor throw, as he had 90 off-target throws (19.8 percent) that exclude spikes and throwaways.
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
You forgot this part
Yeah - but mostly I couldn't figure out what it meant.
Does it mean that he's simply not putting as many passes in the mushy middle anymore? For instance in baseball you have 'soft/med/hard' quality of contact measures. Is Mahomes having more soft and hard hit balls and fewer medium hit balls?
I just couldn't tell how to make the math work. But ultimately if he's throwing more good balls than he used to and more bad balls than he used to, then the question becomes what the value of a 'medium' ball is. I just don't know.
My first impression is that I'll make that trade. If I can take some of those 'medium' balls and turn them into good balls or bad balls, I'm more than happy to do that. Remember when Tebow would throw balls so awful that they couldn't be intercepted? I think most interceptions probably come on those 'medium' balls that aren't quite where you wanted them but not so bad they don't get near a DB either.
But let's say it's all a wash - that Mahomes uptick in on target passes is completely offset by his increase in off-target passes. Doesn't that mean he's still playing at/near the level he's ALWAYS played at on balance?
I just don't see a way to conclude that he's appreciably worse this year than he's ever been (3 game stretch excluded, when he was truly below average for the first time in his career). [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Yeah - but mostly I couldn't figure out what it meant.
Does it mean that he's simply not putting as many passes in the mushy middle anymore? For instance in baseball you have 'soft/med/hard' quality of contact measures. Is Mahomes having more soft and hard hit balls and fewer medium hit balls?
I just couldn't tell how to make the math work. But ultimately if he's throwing more good balls than he used to and more bad balls than he used to, then the question becomes what the value of a 'medium' ball is. I just don't know.
My first impression is that I'll make that trade. If I can take some of those 'medium' balls and turn them into good balls or bad balls, I'm more than happy to do that. Remember when Tebow would throw balls so awful that they couldn't be intercepted? I think most interceptions probably come on those 'medium' balls that aren't quite where you wanted them but not so bad they don't get near a DB either.
But let's say it's all a wash - that Mahomes uptick in on target passes is completely offset by his increase in off-target passes. Doesn't that mean he's still playing at/near the level he's ALWAYS played at on balance?
I just don't see a way to conclude that he's appreciably worse this year than he's ever been (3 game stretch excluded, when he was truly below average for the first time in his career).
The one to Pringle that was posted earlier in this thread would be one, there was probably 3-4 more that he was really off on if my memory serves me correct. It seems that since the start of the season he has been bouncing alot of passes in the dirt, don't know if that is his toe causing that or what but he never use to do that.
I posted this a couple of times but Ryan Clark said on Monday that Mahomes leads the league the last 5 weeks with 37 off target passes. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Not with these teammates - no. Mahomes got a battlefield commission with these guys. He ascended to leadership past them. They were good, established NFL players before he came on the scene. That level of respect will NEVER allow him to do something like that.
But when he's 30 and trying to shepherd some green rookie through his mistakes? Eh...maybe? I mean look at how differently he handles Hardman than Hill. Sure, part of it's that Hill's a HoF player, but part of it could be that Mahomes has never felt compelled to offer any deference to Hardman. I could see him letting some frustration show going forward as he becomes the greybeard in the room. It's just human nature.
I was referring to quotes in the media like a situation that OTWP provided. He's never going to bus somebody in the media.
In the lockerroom, yeah, I imagine he gets after guys. Even Hill and Kelce. But he's also still the first guy congratulating them when they get it done.
Let's hope the Faid provide us another get right game. [Reply]