Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Well that's the dirty little secret that they shouted at us that we all ignored, right? I mean the whole curve flattening thing was never to reduce cases but to spread then out so hospitals would not be overrun. We were going to get the same cases overall but they chose to spread them out over a longer period of time is all.
And that's why the whole shut down thing has to be pretty much tables for 50 years. Everyone alive today see how they moved the goal post and won't wait a month to push back like they did this time..We gave an inch and they went for the mile. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Unless they can prove it changes the mortality rate , i am not sure giving a potentially dangerous drug for some people that helps mild symptoms is good medicine without knowing if they could have recovered equally without the drug in the first place.
People have been taking it for decades without side affects or very few mild side affects. Hell, our soldiers take it when they deploy. All of them. It's sold OTC in a lot of countries where malaria is popular. [Reply]
Originally Posted by jaa1025:
People have been taking it for decades without side affects or very few mild side affects. Hell, our soldiers take it when they deploy. All of them. It's sold OTC in a lot of countries where malaria is popular.
I said for some people it causes Heart issues , my wife is a doctor and she wouldn’t want to take it
Mild side effects for healthy soldiers does not mean it can’t cause a heart attack in 60 year old . [Reply]
Originally Posted by jaa1025:
People have been taking it for decades without side affects or very few mild side affects. Hell, our soldiers take it when they deploy. All of them. It's sold OTC in a lot of countries where malaria is popular.
There are many things you can get OTC in other countries that are not necessarily safe to take without monitoring. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
I said for some people it causes Heart issues , my wife is a doctor and she wouldn’t want to take it
Mild side effects for healthy soldiers does not mean it can’t cause a heart attack in 60 year old .
Now that you mentioned it I do recall your wife is a doctor . I’ve all so read taking it early makes a bigger difference than starting on it later, but my wife isn’t a doctor so what do I know? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Maybe I’m getting old but people seem to have to no patients and have lost the ability to reason on their own.
My wife is seeing very few patients these days. She's only working 2 days a week now because they don't have enough volume. She was, however, exposed to a dirty COVID i Friday - the mother of a newborn patient. They were in the exam room together for 20 minutes, but the dirty COVID was wearing a mask and wife was wearing proper PPE (N95, gloves, and plastic smock). She just has to monitor her temp twice a day for two weeks and be on the lookout for symptoms. Her MA gets a nice 2 week unpaid vacation though because she decided to not wear her N95 like a moron. [Reply]
Originally Posted by R Clark:
Now that you mentioned it I do recall your wife is a doctor . I’ve all so read taking it early makes a bigger difference than starting on it later, but my wife isn’t a doctor so what do I know?
The whole theorized method of action had to do with taking it early with zinc to stop or slow replication. Only being effective super early would make sense, especially if is only moderately effective.
The heart issues occur in the studies when used at a huge dose (much higher than the COVID dosage) for a very long period (I think it was over a year). I'm lazy right now, but if you really want it, I'll go grab the pubmed link. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
My wife is seeing very few patients these days. She's only working 2 days a week now because they don't have enough volume. She was, however, exposed to a dirty COVID i Friday - the mother of a newborn patient. They were in the ezam room together for 20 minutes, but the dirty COVID was wearing a mask and wife was wearing proper PPE (N95, gloves, and plastic smock). She just has to monitor her temp twice a day for two weeks and be on the lookout for symptoms. Her MA gets a nice 2 week unpaid vacation though because she decided to not wear her N95 like a moron.
Originally Posted by R Clark:
Now that you mentioned it I do recall your wife is a doctor . I’ve all so read taking it early makes a bigger difference than starting on it later, but my wife isn’t a doctor so what do I know?
Taking it super early doesn’t mean it helped, those patients might have recovered on their own and it might not have an effect on the mortality rates. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
My wife is seeing very few patients these days. She's only working 2 days a week now because they don't have enough volume. She was, however, exposed to a dirty COVID i Friday - the mother of a newborn patient. They were in the ezam room together for 20 minutes, but the dirty COVID was wearing a mask and wife was wearing proper PPE (N95, gloves, and plastic smock). She just has to monitor her temp twice a day for two weeks and be on the lookout for symptoms. Her MA gets a nice 2 week unpaid vacation though because she decided to not wear her N95 like a moron.
I think it worked Better in combo with zpack but that combo has more side effects.
Was the zpack doing the heavy lifting?
We can’t just pick just the trials we like the results from to make a decision, could it still be used safely to help we might not know yet.
I am just not a skeptic about HCQ I would be the same about any drug proclaimed as a cure this early , I am skeptic in general when it come to people making any proclamation over Twitter , entertainment news shows etc , I assume there are better channels a doctor would use the be taken seRiously
Remdesivir is not even being called a cure by their own company because they know it is a process and it takes time. [Reply]