The BigXII shot itself in the foot yesterday with the round-robin setup. 4 of the 5 P5 conferences have a championship game. The higher seed in each of those games got into the playoffs...whether those are the 4 top teams or not. I don't think FSU or OSU are a top 4 team...but that's for another thread.
The Big12 is going to be relying on the lower seed to win one of these championship games from her on out if they choose not to have a B12 CCG. IMO, that isn't a good way to get your conference represented in the playoffs...
The round-robin is cute...but until they expand to 8 teams. The B12 could find themselves in this situation more often than Not.
The Baylor vs KSU was the championship argument is flawed as is the B12 could have had 2 teams in the playoffs...
So....to get the B12 back to....12 teams, what two teams would you add?
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
The B12 has excellent quality of sports. It’s normally 1 or 2 in hoops and 2-4 in football divisions according to sports rating systems.
But I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around why the PAC wouldn’t absorb 4-6 of us. These are elite institutions, flagships with great brands in a very populous region. The B12 with the exception of Kansas is a collection of afterthoughts in their own states. With low fan base numbers.
The PAC is not in the driver's seat in the negotiating table because of their shitty TV deal they have at the moment. The Pac 12 just lost the LA market with USC and UCLA leaving, and potentially Seattle (if UW leaves), thus they are completely worthless. Their next TV deal is most likely going to be much worse than what they have currently.
Not to mention that the Big 12 got raided earlier, they had more selections to choose from than the Pac 12 does right now. Pac 12 adding in Boise State? Yeah, there's not much value there. UNLV? Maybe, but the pickings are very slim as opposed to where the Big 12 got raided at the time.
It will be the other way around, meaning that the Big 12 might pick off Arizona and Utah (maybe Arizona State and Colorado, but I am iffy on those two).
I do not believe the California schools will consider it, because of political reasons. Additionally, I do not believe that having a CST team playing against a PST team would be beneficial. For example, Oklahoma State football against Stanford football at 7:00PST probably will not bring in many viewers because of the fact that it would be 9:00CST in Stillwater. It's no different than the Royals having to play the west coast teams where quite a few of us were bitching about the late start games.
A 2:30CST-12:30PST or 4:00CST-2:00PST or 6:00CST-4:00PST might be feasible, but that is far and few in between for those slots. [Reply]
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
Pac12s tv deal sucks, they aren't getting schools from conferences with better TV deals.
Without USC and UCLA, Pac12s next tv deal isn't going to move them up much.
Dammit, I hate agreeing with a Raider, but this is correct. The Pac12 next TV deal is going to be worthless since they lost their flagships of USC and UCLA, on top of that, there aren't very many viable options (re: schools that has strong value in football) to replenish that conference. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Coach:
Dammit, I hate agreeing with a Raider, but this is correct. The Pac12 next TV deal is going to be worthless since they lost their flagships of USC and UCLA, on top of that, there aren't very many viable options (re: schools that has strong value in football) to replenish that conference.
That’s simply not true.
The departures are damaging to the Pac-12, given the timing. How damaging?
Very, according to longtime Pac-12 columnist John Canzano, who reached the former president of Fox Sports Networks for comment this weekend.
Bob Thompson, the former FOX exec, told Canzano he anticipated the Pac-12 signing a deal that would bring in somewhere in the neighborhood of $500 million a year for the league to distribute amongst its peers. That estimation included USC and UCLA.
Without those two, Thompson estimated the annual number to be closer to $300 million.
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
That’s simply not true.
The departures are damaging to the Pac-12, given the timing. How damaging?
Very, according to longtime Pac-12 columnist John Canzano, who reached the former president of Fox Sports Networks for comment this weekend.
Bob Thompson, the former FOX exec, told Canzano he anticipated the Pac-12 signing a deal that would bring in somewhere in the neighborhood of $500 million a year for the league to distribute amongst its peers. That estimation included USC and UCLA.
Without those two, Thompson estimated the annual number to be closer to $300 million.
So that’s 30 million per school, and the Big12 is projected 40+ with one major difference, the Big12 is the only conference that’s tier 3 payouts aren’t in the figure. I’m sure that’ll change in the future with Texas leaving though, and tier 3 rights will be shared. [Reply]
You’re conflating tv deal with total distribution. The TV deal is only 22.5M vs the PAC projected at 30M. And the B12 expected to take a 50% haircut when OU-Tex left (Bowlsby even said that publicly) but it was only 20%. Assuming that’s the case for the PAC they’d be looking at something like $36M
Also, T3 was included in the tv deal of 2019. Tex and OU got to keep theirs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
You’re conflating tv deal with total distribution. The TV deal is only 22.5M vs the PAC projected at 30M. And the B12 expected to take a 50% haircut when OU-Tex left (Bowlsby even said that publicly) but it was only 20%. Assuming that’s the case for the PAC they’d be looking at something like $36M
Also, T3 was included in the tv deal of 2019. Tex and OU got to keep theirs.
The number you’re referencing was only for tier 1 rights. [Reply]
If UW and Oregon bolt. I could see a merger between the remains of the PAC and Big 12 to form the first super conference. You would use a two division four pod setup:
Pacific Division
West Pod: WSU, Oregon State, Stanford, Cal, Colorado/TT
Mountain Pod: ASU, AZ, Utah, BYU, Colorado/TT
Big Division
Plains Pod: TCU, Baylor, OSU, Kansas, KSU
East Pod: WV, ISU, UCF, Cinci, Houston
8 game conference schedule. 4 games against your pod, one home and one away against the other pod in your division, and a home game and a away game against the two pods in the other division.
So for example a WSU schedule would look like:
Home games: OSU, Colorado/TT, AZ, ISU
Away games: Stanford, Cal, BYU, Baylor [Reply]
I love how KU is irrelevant and "nobody wants us" and then everyone is going to be furious when we leave the Big 12. It shouldn't matter where we go, nobody cares right? [Reply]
Originally Posted by GloucesterChief:
If UW and Oregon bolt. I could see a merger between the remains of the PAC and Big 12 to form the first super conference. You would use a two division four pod setup:
Pacific Division
West Pod: WSU, Oregon State, Stanford, Cal, Colorado/TT
Mountain Pod: ASU, AZ, Utah, BYU, Colorado/TT
Big Division
Plains Pod: TCU, Baylor, OSU, Kansas, KSU
East Pod: WV, ISU, UCF, Cinci, Houston
8 game conference schedule. 4 games against your pod, one home and one away against the other pod in your division, and a home game and a away game against the two pods in the other division.
So for example a WSU schedule would look like:
Home games: OSU, Colorado/TT, AZ, ISU
Away games: Stanford, Cal, BYU, Baylor
I don’t think there will be a merger. Big12 just adds Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, and Colorado. Oregon and Washington if the B1G doesn’t bring them in with Notre Dame and potentially Stanford(or maybe it’s just Oregon who goes with). [Reply]
Originally Posted by RustShack:
The number you’re referencing was only for tier 1 rights.
Your link is from a Baylor fan. That’s not a source. He claims the distro with OU-Tex was $47m and it’s $42m without. That’s ludicrous and you know better. [Reply]
Originally Posted by GloucesterChief:
If UW and Oregon bolt. I could see a merger between the remains of the PAC and Big 12 to form the first super conference. You would use a two division four pod setup:
Pacific Division
West Pod: WSU, Oregon State, Stanford, Cal, Colorado/TT
Mountain Pod: ASU, AZ, Utah, BYU, Colorado/TT
Big Division
Plains Pod: TCU, Baylor, OSU, Kansas, KSU
East Pod: WV, ISU, UCF, Cinci, Houston
8 game conference schedule. 4 games against your pod, one home and one away against the other pod in your division, and a home game and a away game against the two pods in the other division.
So for example a WSU schedule would look like:
Home games: OSU, Colorado/TT, AZ, ISU
Away games: Stanford, Cal, BYU, Baylor
