Idiots in this thread: Hurr durr he should have made sure it wasn't loaded. Basic rules of gun safety hurr durr. I refuse to understand how movies, acting, or basic logic actually work. Good luck convincing me my brain is impervious lol you. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
It's tough either way, because on one hand you ostensibly have all these safeguards worked up in the industry to make certain that what is handed to the actor is what they say it is [apparently, but currently unverified, he was handed the firearm with a simultaneous on-set announcement 'cold gun'].
OTOH, how in the world do you successfully set up safeguards that remove the standard duty of someone handling a firearm to exercise first-person care in said handling.
I get the exigencies of having actors rely on the protocols of professionals around them, but when a dangerous instrumentality is in your hands, and you are POINTING IT AT PEOPLE, is it even possible to delegate that first-person duty of care away?
Put that question to a jury in the context of a wrongful death case and the answer would be a resounding no, which is probably why questions of law are handled by the bench---questions like that are way too prejudicial when u got a dead body and crying family members in court.
The question u ask is spot on. Allowing someone to delegate away such a responsibility seems inherently risky bc it seems as if you'd be getting rid of any duty of care they have in this situation.
The words "reasonable reliance" keep echoing in my head, but that appropriate sounding doctrine is a contract concept, not really tort. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Director: Alec, fire the gun at the camera.
Idiots in this thread: Hurr durr he should have made sure it wasn't loaded. Basic rules of gun safety hurr durr. I refuse to understand how movies, acting, or basic logic actually work. Good luck convincing me my brain is impervious lol you.
I'm trying to be charitable, but it seems strongly like you are trying really hard to say something monumentally stupid as if it weren't purely for the snark of it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Go back and read the last 30 posts or so. I know you can understand this. Try hard. I believe in you.
Oh, I think I understand. My reticence is my charitability, . . not believing someone would actually say something so stupid, and wondering what angle could motivate them to. [Reply]
Originally Posted by :
The tragedy occurred Thursday afternoon during filming of a gunfight that began in a church that is part of the old Western town at the ranch. Baldwin’s character was supposed to back out of the church, according to production notes obtained by The Times. It was the 12th day of a 21-day shoot.
Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was huddled around a monitor lining up her next camera shot when she was accidentally killed by the prop gun fired by Baldwin.
The actor was preparing to film a scene in which he pulls a gun out of a holster, according to a source close to the production. Crew members had already shouted “cold gun” on the set. The filmmaking team was lining up its camera angles and had yet to retreat to the video village, an on-set area where the crew gathers to watch filming from a distance via a monitor.
Instead, the B-camera operator was on a dolly with a monitor, checking out the potential shots. Hutchins was also looking at the monitor from over the operator’s shoulder, as was the movie’s director, Joel Souza, who was crouching just behind her.
Baldwin removed the gun from its holster once without incident, but the second time he repeated the action, ammunition flew toward the trio around the monitor. The projectile whizzed by the camera operator but penetrated Hutchins near her shoulder, then continued through to Souza. Hutchins immediately fell to the ground as crew members applied pressure to her wound in an attempt to stop the bleeding.
Apparently he wasn't even supposed to fire the gun. Just pull it out of the holster. So there was no reason to have blanks or anything in it. Crazy.
I wonder if they what kind of emergency medical capabilities they had and how long it took for the helicopter to come. Sounds like she bled out waiting. I guess the projectile hit an artery that could happen really fast. [Reply]
Originally Posted by :
Baldwin removed the gun from its holster once without incident, but the second time he repeated the action, ammunition flew toward the trio around the monitor.
This is literally just a thread for the DC loons to bash Baldwin, solely based on his political views. They're doing the same shit they do in DC. Fingers in ears and not listening to anyone elses opinion.
Seriously just get back to your little homes and circle jerk there [Reply]
Apparently he wasn't even supposed to fire the gun. Just pull it out of the holster. So there was no reason to have blanks or anything in it. Crazy.
I wonder if they what kind of emergency medical capabilities they had and how long it took for the helicopter to come. Sounds like she bled out waiting. I guess the projectile hit an artery that could happen really fast.
Sounds like this wasnt the first time someone said cold gun, when in fact it was hot [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
This is literally just a thread for the DC loons to bash Baldwin, solely based on his political views. They're doing the same shit they do in DC. Fingers in ears and not listening to anyone elses opinion.
Seriously just get back to your little homes and circle jerk there
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Sounds like this wasnt the first time someone said cold gun, when in fact it was hot
Incredible that could happen multiple times on the same set. Someone might be going to jail.
And ultimately Baldwin is responsible because it's his movie that was apparently being run like shit. Bash him for that all you want. But this "all actors should inspect their own guns, never mind how movies have been for 100 years" is pure nonsense. [Reply]
Originally Posted by :
The person in charge of overseeing the gun props, known as the armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, could not be reached for comment. The 24-year-old is the daughter of veteran armorer Thell Reed and had recently completed her first film as the head armorer for the movie “The Old Way,” with Clint Howard and Nicolas Cage.
To be clear, not that she's a woman, but that she's inexperienced and possibly got the job based on her father's reputation. [Reply]
