Coaches like Lombardi, Walsh, Noll, Landry, and Gibbs were great coaches, of course, but there's a key difference.
Those guys more or less built one team and rode it to glory. Sure they had to make a few personnel changes over their era, but they built championship rosters and then tweaked them here and there each year.
In the free agency era, you're building a new team constantly. Andy hasn't won three Super Bowls with one team, he's won three Super Bowls with three teams in five years. (And screw that cheating brady guy for stealing one from us.) Who started all three Super Bowls for the Chiefs? Mahomes, Kelce, Chris Jones, Butker ... anyone else? Maybe Nnadi if not for the injury.
Vince Lombardi lined up Starr, Hornung, Taylor, Gregg, Kramer, Ringo, Thurston, Willie Davis, Hanner, Jordan, Nitschke, Dave Robinson, Willie Wood, Herb Adderley, and probably some others for a full decade. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Coaches like Lombardi, Walsh, Noll, Landry, and Gibbs were great coaches, of course, but there's a key difference.
Those guys more or less built one team and rode it to glory. Sure they had to make a few personnel changes over their era, but they built championship rosters and then tweaked them here and there each year.
In the free agency era, you're building a new team constantly. Andy hasn't won three Super Bowls with one team, he's won three Super Bowls with three teams in five years. (And screw that cheating brady guy for stealing one from us.) Who started all three Super Bowls for the Chiefs? Mahomes, Kelce, Chris Jones, Butker ... anyone else? Maybe Nnadi if not for the injury.
Vince Lombardi lined up Starr, Hornung, Taylor, Gregg, Kramer, Ringo, Thurston, Willie Davis, Hanner, Jordan, Nitschke, Dave Robinson, Willie Wood, Herb Adderley, and probably some others for a full decade.
Despite all that these legendary coaches (outside Gibbs) needed a HOF QB to win. It’s by no means an indictment on them, as you can still be a legendary coach, but without HOF QB their playoff records are anything but spectacular. That’s why the knock on Andy for what he did prior to Mahomes is silly. He’s probably one of the most successful of the “legends” when they didn’t have a HOF QB.
You bring up a great point about how they built their teams without having to worry about silly things like the salary cap or free agency.
Oh and Hardman, Winchester started all three SBs while Alegretti was on this team for three. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFag88:
Reerun-Crawler is impressed that Bill Walsh won three Super Bowls with a HOF QB and Paul Brown’s offense.
Wow, you really are clinically reeruned. I don't want to laugh at you anymore. Like, we all make the reerun jokes and stuff because we know that it's fine, because nobody is actually reeruned.
I didn't know you actually were. I apologize.
I'll just go ahead and post a really cool NFL Films presentation on the topic, and then you won't have to post things that people will make fun of you for not knowing as a football fan.
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
Wow, you really are clinically reeruned. I don't want to laugh at you anymore. Like, we all make the reerun jokes and stuff because we know that it's fine, because nobody is actually reeruned.
I didn't know you actually were. I apologize.
I'll just go ahead and post a really cool NFL Films presentation on the topic, and then you won't have to post things that people will make fun of you for not knowing as a football fan.
Andy Reid, an offensive innovator wins Super Bowls with a HOF-caliber QB and Reerun-Crawler attacks him for it.
Meanwhile Bill Walsh also an offensive innovator who wins Super Bowls with a HOF-caliber QB, gets sucked off by Reerun-Crawker as one of the best HC’s ever.
The only thing more hilarious about your Reeruned stupidity is how obviously clueless and unaware you are of it. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
Wow, you really are clinically reeruned. I don't want to laugh at you anymore. Like, we all make the reerun jokes and stuff because we know that it's fine, because nobody is actually reeruned.
I didn't know you actually were. I apologize.
I'll just go ahead and post a really cool NFL Films presentation on the topic, and then you won't have to post things that people will make fun of you for not knowing as a football fan.
Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz:
"But muh statistical top 5 QB."
I've actually never seen anyone white knight McNabb so hard in my life, while at the same time nailing Andy Reid to the fucking cross.
Nevermind Reid also won games with guys like AJ Feely, Kevin Kolb, Koy Detmer, Matt Moore. Hell the ghost of Mike Vick had his best statistical passing years with Reid. He knows how to win with and coach up any QB.
It's just that if you are going to go all the way to a getting a SB you either need a top tier QB or a top tier defense. Those Niner, Cowboy and Patriot teams had both. To not recognize the scheme genius of Reid is shortsighted. Chad or Blaine could have thrown those corndog touchdowns. [Reply]
Imagine holding the position of a coach being favored to win a football game, then mismanaging the football game and losing, but is absolved of any culpability because his qb wasn't a hall of famer.
Why does any coach without a hall of fame qb ever get fired I wonder?
It's obviously not their fault, winning is impossible without a HoF qb.
Andy lost an NFCCG in 2004 to the Carolina panthers.
Despite the table pounding that a HoF qb was required to defeat this team so Andy could get a superbowl berth, let's have a look at the quarterbacks that handed these legendary Panthers their 5 losses that season.
1. Steve McNair.
2. David Carr.
3. Quincy Carter
4. Doug Johnson
5. *drum roll*..
Donovan Mcnabb
What's this? Andy Reid defeated these legends with Donovan McNabb in November? But but but....but hooow?
Favored to win in the NFCCG but lost 14-3 to a team he had already defeated previously.
But it's all right. Andy needed a HoF qb to win a game he was favored to win over a team he'd already defeated without one, and that numerous other teams had done so as well.
Orrrrrrr....the guy just choked like he regularly did. [Reply]
You don't have to type every sentence on its own line.
It's possible to string together multiple sentences into one idea or concept, and then add more of those ideas or concepts consisting of multiple sentences if you need to.
If you give each sentence its own line, you're just a rambling dickeater.
Originally Posted by CapsLockKey:
To not recognize the scheme genius of Reid is shortsighted. Chad or Blaine could have thrown those corndog touchdowns.
Heh.
After the game, we learned that now-former Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy noticed the play while watching film of the Eagles’ Week 4 win over the Jacksonville Jaguars, in which Jaguars’ head coach Doug Pederson called the play for two different Jacksonville touchdowns. [Reply]
