Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Mahomes has already won a Super Bowl while taking up the second-highest percentage of the cap of all time, so I don't need to see more to question if he can elevate a less-than-perfect roster situation. He just showed he can (and on a bad ankle for 2 and 3/4 games in the playoffs, to boot).
What went wrong for KC this year was the plan for the WR room. Multi-variate. Valdes-Scantling regressed badly (prior to last week's game against Buffalo, he had done much less than a year ago). Skyy Moore didn't translate steps forward in practice/camp to a step forward on the field. Kadarius Toney got hurt and then couldn't catch a cold. Richie James was signed as veteran insurance for those last two players and got hurt early.
Everything else from a planning perspective has worked out pretty well. You can't account for or expect being -15 or whatever it was in turnovers, but that could be called out as another, more random "gone wrong."
Not saying it wouldn't be disappointing to fail to get there. It would hurt the Chiefs and Mahomes' legacies a bit.
But that doesn't mean it hurts them as much as it hurts Jackson and the Ravens. It's hard to build a team that's this complete and that stays this healthy come the last 3 weeks of the season. To not win in that spot, and when you haven't done it yet, tarnishes a legacy far more than hitting your min outcome under a regime.
It hurts the Ravens, sure. As it would literally any team? The Bills, the 9ers, you can say this about most teams.
My contention is just that it should hurt the Chiefs too if they want to be considered the best ever. The best ever would defend their title, dethrone the MVP, erase the “road playoff game” narrative, overcome a lack of roster talent.
No shame in not being able to do that. Those are lofty goals. No one is infallible. But it’s a double standard to expect others buy into the inevitability of the Chiefs as the best ever even if they lose when not one person here will buy into the inevitability of the Ravens eventually breaking through even with their consistency/talent.
Just to be clear, I’m not singling you out. You’ve been fair/balanced. It’s more so the people who want to insist the Chiefs are in a different universe even if they lose. Well, no. If you want that treatment, win. [Reply]
Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad:
You guys really do live on Planet Chiefs. Down here on earth everyone knew the Bills were decimated by injuries as were the Dolphins.
Down here on planet earth everyone knows the Chiefs run the AFC and will be a continuing powerhouse during the Mahomes era. [Reply]
Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad:
You guys really do live on Planet Chiefs. Down here on earth everyone knew the Bills were decimated by injuries as were the Dolphins.
Every team that wins the super bowl beats teams in the playoffs with injuries....I'm sure the Patriots had injured players in the 2012 AFCCG that changed its outcome in your favor. Didn't Pollard break Gronk's ankle in the middle of that game? [Reply]
Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad:
You guys really do live on Planet Chiefs. Down here on earth everyone knew the Bills were decimated by injuries as were the Dolphins.
So were the Texans. Their best WR (Tank Dell) and WR3 (Noah Brown) were both out. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive:
It hurts the Ravens, sure. As it would literally any team? The Bills, the 9ers, you can say this about most teams.
My contention is just that it should hurt the Chiefs too if they want to be considered the best ever. The best ever would defend their title, dethrone the MVP, erase the “road playoff game” narrative, overcome a lack of roster talent.
No shame in not being able to do that. Those are lofty goals. No one is infallible. But it’s a double standard to expect others buy into the inevitability of the Chiefs as the best ever even if they lose when not one person here will buy into the inevitability of the Ravens eventually breaking through even with their consistency/talent.
Just to be clear, I’m not singling you out. You’ve been fair/balanced. It’s more so the people who want to insist the Chiefs are in a different universe even if they lose. Well, no. If you want that treatment, win.
It's a team game. Mahomes could play a perfect game and still lose. His receivers have proven it this year. Hardman damn near gave the game away last week on a fumble at the Buffalo goal line to lose 7 points. Hardman had another fumble inside the Buffalo 10 yard line that potentially cost 4 points for the Chiefs. And Justin Watson had a terrible drop on a perfect 3rd down pass by Mahomes that would have setup KC with 1st down at the Buffalo 10 yard line. The Watson drop potentially cost them 4 points, but at least Watson recovered Hardman's first fumble and saved the team 3 points on that play.
In addition to the receiver mistakes last week, the Chiefs defense got pushed around for 3 quarters of the game and Mahomes was on the sideline for most of it while Buffalo ran 63% of the game clock. When Mahomes actually had a chance to touch the football, he torched Buffalo. I could easily see a scenario in this Baltimore game where Mahomes is great, but gets let down by both the defense and receivers.
Defense gets their butts kicked. Receivers fumble and drop the ball. It's the QB's fault? And don't try to lie by saying Brady overcame that shit. No he didn't. 15 years out of 22 years he failed to win a ring. Lost to shitty QB's like Ryan Tannehill. Failed to make the Playoffs in 2002 right after winning a championship. QB's need help from their teammates, it's really that simple. [Reply]
Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad:
You guys really do live on Planet Chiefs. Down here on earth everyone knew the Bills were decimated by injuries as were the Dolphins.
This is a dumb argument. It's January of a normal NFL season. EVERY team is dealing with injuries this time of year. Have you seen the Chiefs latest injury report?
You all, the Ravens that is, are extremely lucky to be where you're at healthwise going into the AFC Title Game. Your team is basically fully healthy now.
Most teams don't have that luxury by time mid January rolls around. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive:
It hurts the Ravens, sure. As it would literally any team? The Bills, the 9ers, you can say this about most teams.
My contention is just that it should hurt the Chiefs too if they want to be considered the best ever. The best ever would defend their title, dethrone the MVP, erase the “road playoff game” narrative, overcome a lack of roster talent.
No shame in not being able to do that. Those are lofty goals. No one is infallible. But it’s a double standard to expect others buy into the inevitability of the Chiefs as the best ever even if they lose when not one person here will buy into the inevitability of the Ravens eventually breaking through even with their consistency/talent.
Just to be clear, I’m not singling you out. You’ve been fair/balanced. It’s more so the people who want to insist the Chiefs are in a different universe even if they lose. Well, no. If you want that treatment, win.
If they lose, yeah it sucks and hurts their chances of being considered a dynasty. But they would have Reid and Mahomes and be in contention to win it again next year, simply because of their track record.
Again, a loss here would suck for Chiefs fans, but it would be easier to stomach compared to the Ravens due to the Chiefs consistent ability to make the AFC Championship game. [Reply]
Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad:
blitz is more than 4. You want to get hung up on semantics then go ahead. I was more interested in blitzing 75% of the time than i was the number over 5 they were sending.
No dumbass. You didn't say just blitz, you said they were sending the whole house. That more than 5 you retard. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive:
What exactly went wrong for KC this year? Your GM constructed a mid roster by not getting any receivers? And that’s hand waved away? You did that.
Also suggesting that a guy is in the GOAT conversation while also explaining away how a loss as acceptable is incongruent. If he’s the GOAT, he wins this game. He beats the DVOA darlings with the MVP in their house. If he doesn’t win that game, it matters. As a non-Chiefs fan, I’ll tell you right now that I won’t think of him the way people here want me to. Because people here aren’t saying he’s very good—they’re saying he is the greatest to ever do it. Then prove it no matter the circumstances.
If you construct a mid roster and the baby goat loses, you’re not who people on this board are telling me you are. You don’t have the Pats’ cache, not even close. You might think you’re “on track,” but you’re not there just as much as no one here will give credit to Lamar/the Ravens for being “on track” for a Super Bowl when it’s all said and done. You have to actually do it in games like this. Defend your title.
Spinning this narrative that this game is a win/win for the Chiefs should be beneath you if you think these guys are who you say they are.
How do you expect to be taken serious with this argument? Everyone knows that even Brady lost the occasional big game.
Seriously, where the fuck is that 3 year old? [Reply]
Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad:
You guys really do live on Planet Chiefs. Down here on earth everyone knew the Bills were decimated by injuries as were the Dolphins.
The Chiefs defense lost Gay and Edwards in the first couple defensive drives after losing Nnadi vs. Miami. McDuffie got dinged and played through it. Did that not matter I guess?? [Reply]
Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive:
It hurts the Ravens, sure. As it would literally any team? The Bills, the 9ers, you can say this about most teams.
My contention is just that it should hurt the Chiefs too if they want to be considered the best ever. The best ever would defend their title, dethrone the MVP, erase the “road playoff game” narrative, overcome a lack of roster talent.
No shame in not being able to do that. Those are lofty goals. No one is infallible. But it’s a double standard to expect others buy into the inevitability of the Chiefs as the best ever even if they lose when not one person here will buy into the inevitability of the Ravens eventually breaking through even with their consistency/talent.
Just to be clear, I’m not singling you out. You’ve been fair/balanced. It’s more so the people who want to insist the Chiefs are in a different universe even if they lose. Well, no. If you want that treatment, win.
Road playoff game narrative?
Mahomes has played one road playoff game and won, last week. This Sunday will be his second. Not sure why there would be a 'road playoff game' narrative at this point. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive:
The Ravens are the best drafting organization since they came into the league in 96. Starting with their very first draft being first ballot hall of famers Ray Lewis and Jonathan Ogden. They’re an excellent drafting team now, but I’m talking about a much longer sample size than that.
Do you actual compare results or do you just make decisions in your head and convince yourself that it is the truth?
Since your inception you have had 6 Hall of Fame inductees. If we include the colts you have 11.
The Chiefs have 13 since 2010 we have 23 since 2000... but yeah... you got this. [Reply]
Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad:
You guys really do live on Planet Chiefs. Down here on earth everyone knew the Bills were decimated by injuries as were the Dolphins.
You know it's stark raving mad, don't you? [Reply]
Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin:
Road playoff game narrative?
Mahomes has played one road playoff game and won, last week. This Sunday will be his second. Not sure why there would be a 'road playoff game' narrative at this point.
It's like talking with diqlix, always one step forward and then... oh, we'll just misconstrue a point or add in something they'll feel compelled to argue against that's not even a thing.
Each post is halfway to a decent point, yet demands defensiveness over points that were never even made.
And considering where he's posting from, it's not that far fetched that it is diqlix (I mean, probably not...). [Reply]