Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks:
I love Thomas, but no way he's still on the board at 32. Mitchell had a strong combine and might not be there either. Even though he's not a "sexy" pick, I'd have absolutely no problem with McConkey. He impressed me at both the Senior Bowl and the combine.
What I don't like about McConkey (and I do like him) is that I feel like he has already maximized his potential.
Like, I feel like we have seen the final version of what he can do. Sure, almost all players improve when football becomes their job, and they are coached by NFL coaches, but I don't know exactly how he would improve.
And there are other receivers that seem to be in their final form, like Harrison Jr. and Nabers. The difference is, their final form is already enough to make an immediate difference for their teams in the NFL.
McConkey was a very, very good college receiver. He has speed. He runs good routes. But, there is a reason he is projected to be a second round pick. If he didn't go to Georgia, and have the Nattys, he might be a 3rd round pick. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic:
What I don't like about McConkey (and I do like him) is that I feel like he has already maximized his potential.
Like, I feel like we have seen the final version of what he can do. Sure, almost all players improve when football becomes their job, and they are coached by NFL coaches, but I don't know exactly how he would improve.
And there are other receivers that seem to be in their final form, like Harrison Jr. and Nabers. The difference is, their final form is already enough to make an immediate difference for their teams in the NFL.
McConkey was a very, very good college receiver. He has speed. He runs good routes. But, there is a reason he is projected to be a second round pick. If he didn't go to Georgia, and have the Nattys, he might be a 3rd round pick.
That doesn't bother me. You get a good player at WR. That's not nothing.
My issue with McConk is his value completely depends on situation.
Lots of NFL scouts love this type of player but not every NFL team actually uses them.
So he could go somewhere and just be good and not get volume and no one will know who he is.
Or he could be a better Amon Ra in a Ben Johnson offense.
I would personally take him and use him but that's my explanation.
Look at Jeudy in Denver. Great route runner but never got to be focal and he was a better prospect than McConk. [Reply]
I'm not willing to put Worthy ahead of BTJ based on their down field production but speed is at a premium in the league. If Worthy does go first and BTJ comes within reach, I'm curious if we'd considering trying to move up for him.
I believe Mitchell's jumped Franklin on most team's boards but hard to ignore Franklin's on field production. Franklin just has some weird outliers that will get flagged by some teams I think, mainly drop %, 10 yard split, his size, and that ugly gauntlet drill. Still want him on our Chiefs tho!
I agree with whoever said the gauntlet is more important than the 40 for showcasing game speed, and I was thoroughly impressed with Coleman's performance. I think he looked like a young footballer who wasn't comfortable running track, but he was a duck in water during that live football drill. I've referenced his football instincts and natural athletic talent previously. Xavier Worthy's climb makes Coleman more likely to be available when we pick, but I also agree that he might not be the biggest impact player year 1 considering his age. I wonder if a more precise WR like Burton or Walker would perform better in year 1. The upside is very intriguing though, and for those looking for an alpha I think Coleman's the #1 alpha in the draft despite being the one of the youngest to declare.
I don't know why, but I have a feeling about Malachi Corley and the Chiefs. Had the same feeling about Mazi Smith last year.
Does anyone know where we can watch the full coverage of the WR drills online? Really want to see J Wilson and X Legette run that gauntlet!
Also, I'm not willing to give Rashee Rice the #1 WR spot yet. [Reply]
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Frail Frankin and tiny Worthy don’t project as NFL 1 WRs.
Skipping out on guys who do because you hope Rice becomes that is poor value in round 1.
We aren't getting the most likely Alpha's in this draft. Those 3 are going top 10.
You're HOPING that Mitchell becomes one but he doesn't look like one already.
I would hope Franklin becomes DeVonta Smith but his college production and physical profile more closely align to Smith than Mitchell does any Alpha WR in the league right now.
If you want to be serious about projection, then college production DOES matter and DOES translate. Only 24% of the top 50 WRs in the NFL last season in receptions never had a 1k season in college. Of those 12, only 2 were drafted in the 1st round.
The entirety of that list is:
Tyreek Hill (5-165)
Stefon Diggs (5-146)
Puka Nacua (5-177)
Chris Olave (1-11)
Nico Collins (3-89)
Terry McLaurin (3-76)
Jaylen Waddle (1-6)
D.K. Metcalf (2-64)
George Pickens (2-52)
Curtis Samuel (2-40)
Deebo Samuel (2-36)
Darius Slatyon (5-172)
So you're hoping that Mitchell breaks into rare air as a non-1k receiver that gets drafted in round 1 AND he becomes a top-50 wideout? I mean, only 4% of those in last year's group.
And yet you sit here and discount two 1k WRs in Worthy and Franklin who are more likely from that stat alone to be top-50 WRs in the league? [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
We aren't getting the most likely Alpha's in this draft. Those 3 are going top 10.
You're HOPING that Mitchell becomes one but he doesn't look like one already.
I would hope Franklin becomes DeVonta Smith but his college production and physical profile more closely align to Smith than Mitchell does any Alpha WR in the league right now.
If you want to be serious about projection, then college production DOES matter and DOES translate. Only 24% of the top 50 WRs in the NFL last season in receptions never had a 1k season in college. Of those 12, only 2 were drafted in the 1st round.
The entirety of that list is:
Tyreek Hill (5-165)
Stefon Diggs (5-146)
Puka Nacua (5-177)
Chris Olave (1-11)
Nico Collins (3-89)
Terry McLaurin (3-76)
Jaylen Waddle (1-6)
D.K. Metcalf (2-64)
George Pickens (2-52)
Curtis Samuel (2-40)
Deebo Samuel (2-36)
Darius Slatyon (5-172)
So you're hoping that Mitchell breaks into rare air as a non-1k receiver that gets drafted in round 1 AND he becomes a top-50 wideout? I mean, only 4% of those in last year's group.
And yet you sit here and discount two 1k WRs in Worthy and Franklin who are more likely from that stat alone to be top-50 WRs in the league?
Nope.
I don’t care about your analytics.
I prefer NFL traits and how they project at the next level.
Give me the bigger, stronger better route runner that weighs 40 lbs more over your tiny little tot.
College production does not predict as well as you think because if it did, why watch them play?!
Just fire the scouts and run your Twitter spread sheets. [Reply]
I prefer NFL traits and how they project at the next level.
Give me the bigger, stronger better route runner that weighs 40 lbs more over your tiny little tot.
College production does not predict as well as you think because if it did, why watch them play?!
Just fire the scouts and run your Twitter spread sheets.
If it was purely about watching them play and not about projecting traits and using analytics, Mitchell wouldn't crack my top 20. But here I have him currently at 7th in what may be a historic group of WRs. Your blinders are strong man. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
If it was purely about watching them play and not about projecting traits and using analytics, Mitchell wouldn't crack my top 20. But here I have him currently at 7th in what may be a historic group of WRs. Your blinders are strong man.
Look, we’re talking past each other.
I’m not going to argue about analytics anymore that I will argue astrology.
And even if Adonai is better you will then just say it was luck. [Reply]
Ok, I'm gonna drive a stake in the ground with you and call this argument a day...
If my top 6 WRs were off the board and it was between Kamari Lassiter at CB and Mitchell at WR I'd take Lassiter 10/10 times. I Franklin was there too, I'd probably flip a coin between Lassiter and Franklin and I'm kinda starting to lean Lassiter there too. Maybe because I think that much of Lassiter and maybe Lassiter will rise, he certainly could.
And you know who I think could very well end up better than both of Franklin and Mitchell if his head is actually on straight? Jermaine Burton.
He can get off press, he's got good hands, he can track the deep ball. Crispen those routes and you have a really good player with enough there to think he could become a Stefon Diggs, Reggie Wayne, Laveranues Coles, Jeremy Maclin, Torry Holt etc. My only question about Burton is between his ears and it just might be he's a bit of a show-off.
Kelce has always been a bit of a show-off. Tyreek was too. If he's great, I can deal with a bit of that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Ok, I'm gonna drive a stake in the ground with you and call this argument a day...
If my top 6 WRs were off the board and it was between Kamari Lassiter at CB and Mitchell at WR I'd take Lassiter 10/10 times. I Franklin was there too, I'd probably flip a coin between Lassiter and Franklin and I'm kinda starting to lean Lassiter there too. Maybe because I think that much of Lassiter and maybe Lassiter will rise, he certainly could.
And you know who I think could very well end up better than both of Franklin and Mitchell if his head is actually on straight? Jermaine Burton.
He can get off press, he's got good hands, he can track the deep ball. Crispen those routes and you have a really good player with enough there to think he could become a Stefon Diggs, Reggie Wayne, Laveranues Coles, Jeremy Maclin, Torry Holt etc. My only question about Burton is between his ears and it just might be he's a bit of a show-off.
Kelce has always been a bit of a show-off. Tyreek was too. If he's great, I can deal with a bit of that.
It’s weird that you scream about production but now advocate for Burton.
