Chiefs 2023 Free Agency - Page 130

Originally Posted by Mecca:
Hopkins openly said he'd work with the new team to make the contract work.

And I wonder what exactly that means. Maybe they can get his cap hit reduced this year?
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Originally Posted by Mecca:
What is "serious draft picks"

Hopkins will probably go for a 4 and maybe a conditional pick the next year...

You are smoking crack if you think that.

Why in the WORLD would Arizona do that?
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
If it's condescending to say that you're not considering the reality that no team had previously won a SB with a single player eating more than 13% of their cap before Mahomes just did it at 17%-and his number goes up to 23% this year so I don't expect a big money FA deal, then tough.

You're not. You're not realistically considering this reality.

The only way to do this would be to push more Mahomes money forward, thereby extending the time period in which we'll struggle with the cap. I find that unpalatable. I'd rather not spend most of his 30's in cap hell.

It's gonna happen a bunch going forward because all QB contracts are out of hand. Unless you think just a bunch of guys on rookie deals are gonna win SBs.
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
You are smoking crack if you think that.

Why in the WORLD would Arizona do that?

No way it takes more than our late 3rd. Ramsey is still in his prime and got traded for a 3rd.
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Originally Posted by Detoxing:
Yeah, he had a career day. Gonna count on that week in and week out?

A receiver that's never eclipsed 700 yards in a season and is more of a specialist than an every play target?

Option #2 is a talented guy, sure, but has a lengthy track record of being injury prone. Helluva gamble there.

Option 3 is Skyy Moore.

And you're convinced the Chiefs are going to be happy going into the season with that, huh? So much so that we shouldn't be discussing the subject?

Again, you're arguing with someone else, apparently. I never said anything of the sort.
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
You are smoking crack if you think that.

Why in the WORLD would Arizona do that?

Cause they gain nothing keeping a 31 year old WR during a massive rebuild?
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MVS is a fancy decoy in this offense.

His job was to pull coverage away so we could hit Kelce and JuJu.

I expect him to be gone next year.
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Originally Posted by Mecca:
Cause they gain nothing keeping a 31 year old WR during a massive rebuild?

How is it a massive rebuild, exactly?

They're stuck paying their QB. They gonna give him nothing to throw to? That's an offense that desperately needs him.

No way they're letting him out for a 4th rounder. That's insane.
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
How is it a massive rebuild, exactly?

They're stuck paying their QB. They gonna give him nothing to throw to? That's an offense that desperately needs him.

No way they're letting him out for a 4th rounder. That's insane.

Apparently you don't see many NFL trades, was Jalen Ramsey for a 3 a terrible trade then?
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Originally Posted by staylor26:
No way it takes more than our late 3rd. Ramsey is still in his prime and got traded for a 3rd.

totally different situations for both the team, the positions, and the players.
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
totally different situations for both the team, the positions, and the players.

It's not just Ramsey. Aging vets are going for less and less every year.

Are you against a WR in the 1st?
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Maybe the Chiefs are in on Hopkins and to w hold up is the reworked contract? His cap hit is $17 million and we only have $16 million currently
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Originally Posted by Mecca:
Apparently you don't see many NFL trades, was Jalen Ramsey for a 3 a terrible trade then?

Totally different situations, teams, positional values, and cap situations.

These are completely different.

Not even remotely the same. The Rams mortgaged their future, are in cap hell, and have to tear it all down and start over. The Cardinals are not, did not, but are stuck with Kyler Murray, who desperately needs a Dhop or they're fucked.

Totally different.

Why are you guys just being willfully ignorant and spouting this bullshit? You know better. You know that's not nearly the same.

It's like you want what you want and refuse to see any realities.
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The Cardinals traded for Brown and are going to have to pay him.

Hopkins wants out.

And again, Hopkins is significantly older than Ramsey.

The situations aren't drastically different.

Value is value. Hopkins isn't getting you more than a 3rd.
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Originally Posted by staylor26:
It's not just Ramsey. Aging vets are going for less and less every year.

Are you against a WR in the 1st?

Absolutely not against a WR in the first. My position has been that we're going to have to grow our own stars for awhile, and fill spots with guys at good value until Mahomes cap number comes down.

I don't know if I like any particular WR that might be there for us, but that's another matter.
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