Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by 2112:
It’s a lot more work, no doubt. But it’s also more work for parents working from home and having to walk a 6 or 7 year old through their on line classes. and that’s just if it’s one young one. Older kids need less assistance
The real problem is that I doubt the effectiveness of what's being "learned." One of my sons is really bright and motivated (especially to get done with his work, build trails behind our house, and ride his bike). He is getting all his work done, but he doesn't feel like he's learning much and is worried that he's going to be behind next year, especdially when he starts accelerated math for 7th grade.
My other son has an IEP (special education) and needs lots of support. He's working his ass off every day, and he's getting his stuff done. I'm, once again, not sure that he's really accomplishing the learning objectives though.
I mean, you can assign them work and have them doing stuff, but that doesn't mean that they're really mastering skills or obtaining the learning objectives.
Even though my biking son doesn't feel like he's learning as much, he loves being able to knock out his school work in 2-3 hours of work then have the rest of the day to ride his bike. He's likely going to push to go to some sort of online schooling in the future, which is possible as he's pretty committed to trying to go pro for cycling, and many youth pro level cyclists home school to leave more time for training. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bugeater:
I guess I just assume teachers hate their jobs because I hate kids and I'd hate my job if it meant dealing with other people's kids every day. Thankfully, everyone isn't me.
Hah. It's been hilarious to have my work/home life intersect. My coworkers can't believe what a hardass I am on my own children (they get to hear me talk to them on zoom, now), and my own kids can't believe how tolerant I am of the kids at my school. [Reply]
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Dude, I ain't fighting someone double my age.
Just not fair.
Not being able to go the gym as turned you into a toothpick? Sorry man for your loss. :-)
Originally Posted by vonBobo:
What we know for a fact is that Wuhan's medical infrastructure was overloaded, and then the same thing happened in Italy. The entire point of stay at home is to flatten the curve in attempt to keep our hospitals from collapsing.
Death toll bickering is just moving the goalposts to fit an agenda. We must keep our hospitals functioning and so far we have been successful.
Good post for a n00b, Too good. Mult spidey sense are a tingling...
Originally Posted by SupDock:
I'd guess you are wrong, which is why every year confirmed cases of flu are lower than estimated deaths
It doesn't matter how old someone is, if Covid-19 contributed to their death, it is going on the death certificate as a contributing factor. This isnt any different than the way other conditions are documented on death certificates.
As for "natural causes", that is rarely going on a death certificate in the hospital, because in general contributing factors are known.
Sorry for belaboring the point, but it's tough for me to keep my mouth shut when this topic is being discussed
I worked on at least 1000+ people who presented as dead or on the verge of dying without any obvious trauma. Without any medical history you work on the initial assumption its a respiratory or heart issue. In this case, Anyone presenting with coronavirus systems, you have to assume, at least initially, that your dealing with a coronavirus patient.
Originally Posted by NewChief:
Almost every teacher I know, both at the school I run as well as at my kids' schools, is in absolute mourning for the school year and at not being able to see their kids again. Every single one of them would return to work tomorrow gladly if they were able.
My school is a high school, so the advisors to the seniors are especially torn up.
Everyone has had a bad teacher, I get it. But, most are in teaching to help the kids. I'll never understand this bashing of teachers. My wife cried last week over a kid she thinks she got turned around, showed him how to learn despite his home and social situation. That e-learning could cause him to revert back to the kid that most view as a lost cause. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kcxiv:
eh, he said should and said something about he's an optimist. This shit is all subject to change though, thats what people have to get!
It shouldn't even be a question at this point as to whether schools will start in the fall. It just sounds like more fear mongering. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
It shouldn't even be a question at this point as to whether schools will start in the fall. It just sounds like more fear mongering.
Of course it should be a question. It's about numbers, not desire. If the numbers are much better, and I think they will be, open it up but remain vigilant. If the numbers aren't better, no, you don't open it up. [Reply]
Somebody has been posting the daily death count in the thread with age/group breakdowns that showed 2500+ deaths yesterday but I am not sure where and why there is a discrepancy. [Reply]
