Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Yet you're invoking a disease that is substantially less virulent and contagious in the process of trying to downplay it.
"I don't know why people think Mahomes throwing 50 TDs in a single season is so great, Aaron Brooks once threw 58 TDs over the course of three years."
Again you miss the point.
Drawing comparisons to terrorist attacks/acts of war to hype up a pandemic is not necessary.
Even less severe recent contagious disease outbreaks/pandemics... the Swine Flu and this year’s seasonal flu... both have higher death counts than Pearl Harbor and 9/11. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
Again you miss the point.
Drawing comparisons to terrorist attacks/acts of war to hype up a pandemic is not necessary.
Even less severe recent contagious disease outbreaks/pandemics... the Swine Flu and this year’s seasonal flu... both have higher death counts than Pearl Harbor and 9/11.
What part of rate are you not comprehending? There was no point where Swine Flu or seasonal flu approached 2000/day death rates.
From the period of February 29-March 27 there were fewer people that died of COVID-19 in the US than died just today. That's a pretty staggering statistic. The geopolitical causes are certainly different, but the daily loss of life is substantial.
The leading cause of death in the US is heart disease, at around 650K per year, or roughly 1780 per day. Today, a virus none of us had heard of six months ago killed more people than that.
If you want to argue the necessity of comparing it to acts of war, there is certainly a subforum to do that on. I'm sure you know how to find it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
You must be looking for the ***NON-POLITICAL & NON-COMPARING DEATHS TO OTHER UNRELATED EVENTS COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins: If you want to argue the necessity of comparing it to acts of war there is certainly a subforum to do that on. I'm sure you know how to find it.
Yes that is my point.
And the discussion on that topic can continue in another forum. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
What part of rate are you not comprehending? There was no point where Swine Flu or seasonal flu approached 2000/day death rates.
From the period of February 29-March 27 there were fewer people that died of COVID-19 in the US than died just today. That's a pretty staggering statistic. The geopolitical causes are certainly different, but the daily loss of life is substantial.
The leading cause of death in the US is heart disease, at around 650K per year, or roughly 1780 per day. Today, a virus none of us had heard of six months ago killed more people than that.
If you want to argue the necessity of comparing it to acts of war, there is certainly a subforum to do that on. I'm sure you know how to find it.
This is why I do not like to take up debate with Hamas. He will just eviscerate you. No way to win. One of the smartest people on CP for sure.
Tons of mic dropping poasts like this. Sometimes as asshole. But when you harvest souls like he does in any debate how could one not be? [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
Even less severe recent contagious disease outbreaks/pandemics... the Swine Flu and this year’s seasonal flu... both have higher death counts than Pearl Harbor and 9/11.
Name one person that needs a ventilator, a team of doctors, nurses and PPE when they get the seasonal flu.
Now, name 30,000 that needed that same equipment and care in a single month in order to survive. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Name one person that needs a ventilator, a team of doctors, nurses and PPE when they get the seasonal flu.
Now, name 30,000 that needed that same equipment and care in a single month in order to survive.
Considering that there were 400,000 to 730,000 estimated hospitalizations due to the seasonal flu since October (according to the CDC) it would seem likely that at least some of those cases would require “a team of doctors and nurses”, ventilator-supported care, PPE’s etc. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
This is why I do not like to take up debate with Hamas. He will just eviscerate you. No way to win. One of the smartest people on CP for sure.
Tons of mic dropping poasts like this. Sometimes as asshole. But when you harvest souls like he does in any debate how could one not be?
I beat him once in a debate over Roy Helu. He thought he was going to be a good NFL back [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
Considering that there were 400,000 to 730,000 estimated hospitalizations due to the seasonal flu since October (according to the CDC) it would seem likely that at least some of those cases would require “a team of doctors and nurses”, ventilator-supported care, PPE’s etc.
But dude, "some" isn't 30,000 simultaneously. That's the big issue here.
Without these quarantines and efforts by state and local governments, we'd be looking at millions of people needing this type of care just to survive, not to get better but to survive, all at the same exact time. [Reply]
