Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
I'm still enjoying the show.
It is silly AF. It is supposed to be.
Y'all taking shit too seriously.
Can you blame people? The Marvel people have come to love over the last 15 years of course had silly moments but ultimately took itself, the stories, and the characters seriously. It’s not surprising people are going to need time adjusting to what seems to be a completely watered down and lazy universe of characters. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
Can you blame people? The Marvel people have come to love over the last 15 years of course had silly moments but ultimately took itself, the stories, and the characters seriously. It’s not surprising people are going to need time adjusting to what seems to be a completely watered down and lazy universe of characters.
The first 15 years they cared about nailing the essence of the characters. The main point of those characters.
Now they're ruining characters. Abandoning what made them who they were and ignoring what their motivations were.
She Hulk was always Hulk's public defender. No one else (note Rick Jones and Cho) would stand with him in the bad times. His friends would betray him. Jen was always there.
Now she's telling him how he can't relate and how it's hard for her to get cat calls. It's a completely different character. It would be like if Batman went to anger management classes and said that learning the psychology of your teammates was toxic behavior. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rausch:
The first 15 years they cared about nailing the essence of the characters. The main point of those characters.
Now they're ruining characters. Abandoning what made them who they were and ignoring what their motivations were.
She Hulk was always Hulk's public defender. No one else (note Rick Jones and Cho) would stand with him in the bad times. His friends would betray him. Jen was always there.
Now she's telling him how he can't relate and how it's hard for her to get cat calls. It's a completely different character. It would be like if Batman went to anger management classes and said that learning the psychology of your teammates was toxic behavior.
Pretty much every Disney property is just a way to pump out shit product, right now. Even Pixar hasn't been immune to it. But at least reading people reviewing the stuff is one way to know who's takes you can ignore on this stuff in the future. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By:
Pretty much every Disney property is just a way to pump out shit product, right now. Even Pixar hasn't been immune to it. But at least reading people reviewing the stuff is one way to know who's takes you can ignore on this stuff in the future.
I can honestly say I enjoy disagreeing with people on this thread more than Disney's current products.
That can be taken as a compliment to the great football fans in here or as a whopping insult to Disney... [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
Can you blame people? The Marvel people have come to love over the last 15 years of course had silly moments but ultimately took itself, the stories, and the characters seriously. It’s not surprising people are going to need time adjusting to what seems to be a completely watered down and lazy universe of characters.
Meh, it is She Hulk. Granted it has been 30 years since I read any of her books, but I'm not seeing what they are ruining here.
If y'all can't take the now standard men don't/ can't understand lines, not sure why you bother watching any of this stuff.
This show is funny as hell. Enjoy what it is, and stop being so damn serious.
It is fuck loads better than Sam and Bucky. [Reply]
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
Meh, it is She Hulk. Granted it has been 30 years since I read any of her books, but I'm not seeing what they are ruining here.
If y'all can't take the now standard men don't/ can't understand lines, not sure why you bother watching any of this stuff.
This show is funny as hell. Enjoy what it is, and stop being so damn serious.
It is fuck loads better than Sam and Bucky.
But it’s not about just this one show. Each show is going to get less and less rope and benefit of the doubt because of shows like Sam and Bucky, Ms Marvel, and others. The fans don’t want to dislike it.
Also whether fair or not, I think the fact that these are made by Disney who makes so many other properties, Star Wars specifically, that are turning people off, affects the perception of Marvel as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
Meh, it is She Hulk. Granted it has been 30 years since I read any of her books, but I'm not seeing what they are ruining here.
If y'all can't take the now standard men don't/ can't understand lines, not sure why you bother watching any of this stuff.
This show is funny as hell. Enjoy what it is, and stop being so damn serious.
It is fuck loads better than Sam and Bucky.
There are a couple of things that don't get mentioned enough regarding 'woke narratives.' And I think they are important because they change the entire dynamic of the discussion.
As a prelude, my overall take is that it's entertainment, enjoy it or don't and ignore people telling you to enjoy things you don't as well as avoiding telling others not to enjoy things they do. It's YOUR leisure time.
But first, it's not so much outrage that certain narratives exist, or certain casting choices are made, in and of themselves, that's the problem. It's the purposeful effort by the creators. Again, it's your leisure time, and creators should be balancing expressing themselves creatively and filling your entertainment desires. But in the realm of 'woke' purposefulness, creators are pointedly and explicitly taking on the unbidden task of ecumenicalism, teaching, preaching, sermonizing, etc. . . . It's not the 'outrage' that these choices HAPPEN to pop up in stories, it's the insult that creatives think it's their duty to put those choices in their stories to message you the leisure consumer.
Second, and more directly responsive to your admonition about overseriousness, it's not so much how seriously you or I might take the storylines. It's how seriously others take it and fold it into their fundamental ethos. There are many things I've seen over the years that I took as a poignant but lighthearted or superficial points made in entertainment media, only to see people thereafter with a worldview that takes those points as fundamental and unquestionable.
It feels like a swindle of some sort when you see a message that you have a valid critique of, but you are dissuaded from voicing it, not because your criticism is invalid, but because you need to lighten up, . . . Then you find yourself debating people who take the message as literal gospel because they've never seen it critiqued. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
There are a couple of things that don't get mentioned enough regarding 'woke narratives.' And I think they are important because they change the entire dynamic of the discussion.
As a prelude, my overall take is that it's entertainment, enjoy it or don't and ignore people telling you to enjoy things you don't as well as avoiding telling others not to enjoy things they do. It's YOUR leisure time.
But first, it's not so much outrage that certain narratives exist, or certain casting choices are made, in and of themselves, that's the problem. It's the purposeful effort by the creators. Again, it's your leisure time, and creators should be balancing expressing themselves creatively and filling your entertainment desires. But in the realm of 'woke' purposefulness, creators are pointedly and explicitly taking on the unbidden task of ecumenicalism, teaching, preaching, sermonizing, etc. . . . It's not the 'outrage' that these choices HAPPEN to pop up in stories, it's the insult that creatives thing it's their duty to put those choices in their stories to message you the leisure consumer.
Second, and more directly responsive to your admonition about overseriousness, it's not so much how seriously you or I might take the storylines. It's how seriously others take it and fold it into their fundamental ethos. There are many things I've seen over the years that I took as a poignant but lighthearted or superficial points made in entertainment media, only to see people thereafter with a worldview that takes those points as fundamental and unquestionable.
It feels like a swindle of some sort when you see a message that you have a valid critique of, but you are dissuaded from voicing it, not because your criticism is invalid, but because you need to lighten up, . . . Then you find yourself debating people who take the message as literal gospel because they've never seen it critiqued.
Reminds me of the horrible kid's shows from when I was younger.
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
There are a couple of things that don't get mentioned enough regarding 'woke narratives.' And I think they are important because they change the entire dynamic of the discussion.
As a prelude, my overall take is that it's entertainment, enjoy it or don't and ignore people telling you to enjoy things you don't as well as avoiding telling others not to enjoy things they do. It's YOUR leisure time.
But first, it's not so much outrage that certain narratives exist, or certain casting choices are made, in and of themselves, that's the problem. It's the purposeful effort by the creators. Again, it's your leisure time, and creators should be balancing expressing themselves creatively and filling your entertainment desires. But in the realm of 'woke' purposefulness, creators are pointedly and explicitly taking on the unbidden task of ecumenicalism, teaching, preaching, sermonizing, etc. . . . It's not the 'outrage' that these choices HAPPEN to pop up in stories, it's the insult that creatives think it's their duty to put those choices in their stories to message you the leisure consumer.
Second, and more directly responsive to your admonition about overseriousness, it's not so much how seriously you or I might take the storylines. It's how seriously others take it and fold it into their fundamental ethos. There are many things I've seen over the years that I took as a poignant but lighthearted or superficial points made in entertainment media, only to see people thereafter with a worldview that takes those points as fundamental and unquestionable.
It feels like a swindle of some sort when you see a message that you have a valid critique of, but you are dissuaded from voicing it, not because your criticism is invalid, but because you need to lighten up, . . . Then you find yourself debating people who take the message as literal gospel because they've never seen it critiqued.
Pudding brained people are going to pudding brain regardless of if a TV show or movie preaches what ever hair brained thing the creator thinks needs promoted.
She-Hulk is much less of the crap people are complaining about than a lot of other shows, and the bits are pretty damn mild, and in case y'all missed it, at times poke fun at the woke bits themselves. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Carr4MVP:
You can say it is silly AF but the writers and actors believe they are fighting injustice via this show. It is not silly to them.
Like I, or anyone else with a serious brain, care one shit about that.
I only judge shows on if I enjoy them or not. Messages or causes just don't bother me as I know who I am. [Reply]
