Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch: :-) Because we're refusing to put lipstick on this pig? Good grief, get over yourself. There's a reason he's a reclamation project AT BEST. Hell, most of you are shitting all over him scoffing at the notion he'll get a contract with 8 figures in it.
Player evaluation = projection.
If it was as simple as just looking at everyone’s previous 34 games, well, shit would be a lot easier and the NFL would look a lot different.
Taking a player in Mooney’s situation with plenty of context to parse through creates opportunity at the right price. It’s not any different than when they grabbed JuJu following some down years and revived his career. It can happen. It’s not guaranteed, but if you’re not turning these stones over that’s just bad management.
I’ve said from the go he’s a one year deal guy. Incentive packed. Who I would sign to be my #3 WR to be a multi-level winner (primarily intermediate) to go along with a burner deep ball threat selected in the top-64.
He’s not getting $10m+ guaranteed, no. Bad timing and bad market for him. So you come to Kansas City and try to be another redemption story to have another crack at a big pay day next year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
Okay, so why did you say he's not in the same tier of player that littered our WR room last
year? That's exactly what he is.
Who in that room had a 1000 yard season on their resume?
Does Skyy more run a sub 4.4?
Toney was a similar bet, in that there was clearly talent there, and if you could unlock it, you'd be geniuses.
didn't work out, but that kind of thinking is why KC didn't draft a first round QB for 40 fucking years.
At worst, Mooney can be a less expensive MVS.
At best, he returns to his first two years' form and you get a nice, productive #2 type receiver on a bargain.
If you're expecting some game changing free agent signee, the only way you're going to get it is a reclamation project. You're not getting a Ridley. You're not getting a Pittman. Forget it, it's not happening. [Reply]
Originally Posted by raybec 4:
You have a lot of insight into their personal relationship?
Nah but he often comments on Pat's IG and was instrumental in getting Pat to take part in the George Floyd video NFL players made back in the day. [Reply]
Originally Posted by CaptainMorgan:
This is unfair. D-Rob was a 6th round pick, Pringle was undrafted, and both meaningfully contributed across multiple seasons yet those are misses? Watkins had health issues but was huge in the playoffs and SB in 2019. Hardly a miss. James was a cheap depth option, not sure what you were expecting. Watson has been a great depth signing who you never mentioned. Toney was a lottery ticket we spent a 3rd on and while he’s not panned out he was key in helping win the 2022 SB.
The legitimate misses have been Moore and MVS.
Y'all can't have it both ways.
Historically in this offense, the 3rd option typically ends up with around 500 yards.
For some reason, THIS YEAR y'all decide that our WR room is trash, even though the 3rd option is right there around 500 yards.
My problem isn't with having the 3rd option being a 500-600 yard WR - my problem is wanting to pay them MVS money.
All those misses I listed above are understandable - they were all late round picks and or extremely inexpensive - aside from Sammy and MVS. You can afford to miss when you're spending nothing.
You can't just light money on fire like you did with MVS and would be doing with Mooney or Brown. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
Who in that room had a 1000 yard season on their resume?
Does Skyy more run a sub 4.4?
Toney was a similar bet, in that there was clearly talent there, and if you could unlock it, you'd be geniuses.
didn't work out, but that kind of thinking is why KC didn't draft a first round QB for 40 fucking years.
At worst, Mooney can be a less expensive MVS.
At best, he returns to his first two years' form and you get a nice, productive #2 type receiver on a bargain.
If you're expecting some game changing free agent signee, the only way you're going to get it is a reclamation project. You're not getting a Ridley. You're not getting a Pittman. Forget it, it's not happening.
Exactly. So fuck this market. Literally what I've been saying. [Reply]
Because while this staff seems to be ****ing Rainman when it comes to signing/drafting defensive backs, they are ****ing Simple Jack when it comes to the WR position.
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
Who in that room had a 1000 yard season on their resume?
Does Skyy more run a sub 4.4?
Toney was a similar bet, in that there was clearly talent there, and if you could unlock it, you'd be geniuses.
didn't work out, but that kind of thinking is why KC didn't draft a first round QB for 40 ****ing years.
At worst, Mooney can be a less expensive MVS.
At best, he returns to his first two years' form and you get a nice, productive #2 type receiver on a bargain.
If you're expecting some game changing free agent signee, the only way you're going to get it is a reclamation project. You're not getting a Ridley. You're not getting a Pittman. Forget it, it's not happening.
Assuming Mooney is healthy I will bet anyone here that Mooney will be considered the far better player than MVS if we sign him.
You can trust your "analytics" or just watch the Bears games I got stuck with a few times on my bets. [Reply]
