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I'm now back 100% on board with this show. The fact that it's passed up the books is making it incredibly compelling for me, now. Before I'd often catch the show on Monday night or even Tuesday night. Now, I'm waiting eagerly for it to come on.
And in true GoT fashion, they've managed to do something I thought wouldn't ever be possible: I'm rooting for Cersei. The one character who I've always found to be utterly reprehensible and without redeeming quality (besides the love of her children) has managed to be pitted against a character I hate so much (the High Sparrow), that I'm actually rooting for her and her family.
Of course, I'm sure a few scenes where she's an utter gunt to Margaery and does some really stupid shit in poor attempts to play the game of thrones will restore my hatred of the queen mother. [Reply]
Perhaps the best episode of the series. I was like a little kid, according to my wife. Between being proved right after five years re: Jon Snow and getting the flashback to the Tower of Joy (I was expecting to need to wait until Ep 8 or 9)... Oh, man.
Though... That scene may not answer every question we think it will. If it's a Bran flash, old Bloodraven may pull him back before Ned and Lyanna's scene plays out, which would preserve the mystery a while longer.
Other thoughts:
Tommen just signed his death warrant. He's going to listen to his mother and do something stupid.
I think the quest to make Cersei more relatable on the show has made Jamie less like able, at least for me. The Redeeming Himself kingslayer is one of my favorite book arcs.
I think they went a little overboard making it obvious Sir Gregor is back. Do we really need to be able to see zombie-colored flesh under there?
Re: The High Sparrow... He and his are zealot-level Catholics, which is annoying and maddening on the show as it is in real life.
That was a fun episode and I enjoyed it. I think my only critique is how rushed some of the assassinations are happening. In 2 episodes, you have the Prince of Dorne stabbed, the Lord of Winterfell stabbed, and ol boy from the Iron Islands thrown off a bridge. Part of what I loved about past seasons was the vast development of the setup, the game, but I recognize they can't do that for every story line. Kind of what they're doing with Cersei and the Sparrows storyline, building it to a level you can anticipate. But yeah, small personal critique as that was a great episode for this early in the season. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCUnited:
That was a fun episode and I enjoyed it. I think my only critique is how rushed some of the assassinations are happening. In 2 episodes, you have the Prince of Dorne stabbed, the Lord of Winterfell stabbed, and ol boy from the Iron Islands thrown off a bridge. Part of what I loved about past seasons was the vast development of the setup, the game, but I recognize they can't do that for every story line. Kind of what they're doing with Cersei and the Sparrows storyline, building it to a level you can anticipate. But yeah, small personal critique as that was a great episode for this early in the season.
If you look at the architect of each of those killings, you see the same type of temperament behind each one: Wild/impetuous/mad.
Ellaria, Ramsay and Euron are all at least a little crazy. None is a master of the long game like, say, Tywin Lannister or Roose Bolton. All act in the now rather than holistically.
So it fits for me, I think, that these murders happened so quickly [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
If you look at the architect of each of those killings, you see the same type of temperament behind each one: Wild/impetuous/mad.
Ellaria, Ramsay and Euron are all at least a little crazy. None is a master of the long game like, say, Tywin Lannister or Roose Bolton. All act in the now rather than holistically.
So it fits for me, I think, that these murders happened so quickly
I can see that, and its definitely not a complaint and likely a selfish reaction on my part to want to see Roose Bolton get more than a blade to the heart, even if it was by his own son. In Ramsay's case, you're left to assume he had the support, or generated enough fear, to pull it off which I guess they tried to establish in his eulogy to Myranda. The Iron Islands was the one that seemed super sudden as we haven't seen them in a while and I don't remember from the show a story there with the brother. Incredible scene though. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
If you look at the architect of each of those killings, you see the same type of temperament behind each one: Wild/impetuous/mad.
Ellaria, Ramsay and Euron are all at least a little crazy. None is a master of the long game like, say, Tywin Lannister or Roose Bolton. All act in the now rather than holistically.
So it fits for me, I think, that these murders happened so quickly
Yeah, and I get the sense the show writers are done messing around with characters that are not key to the end game story. They just take time from the characters everyone really wants to see.
One other potentially huge hint in this episode was when the child of the forest told Meera that Bran would not be staying there forever, and that he would need her when he leaves. I was excited to hear that. While Bran's powers are cool, I always hated the idea of him living in that cave forever surrounded by tree roots. Maybe he and Meera will end up being a couple after all at some point. [Reply]
The only thing I didn't like was if they were headed down this road of reviving John Snow, they should've killed him episode nine of season five, and resurrected him episode ten. I think the cliffhanger to that would've been more effective. No one bought that he was dead, so we had a literal Kit Harrington Watch going on for 8 months, it was kind of annoying.
If they would've ended the season as they ended Episode two, I just feel they could've been out in front of this whole thing. They now appear stupid in all of their attempts to keep this under wraps. [Reply]
Great fucking episode highlighted by dragons, our first flashback scene, and, of course, Jon Snow's resurrection. As someone mentioned, that scene was incredibly well done. We all knew he was coming back, but the suspense in that scene was tangible. My heart was in my throat wondering whether they'd leave us on a cliffhanger again. Once I saw Ghost look up I knew shit was on and poppin' though.
I have to agree with the abrupt assassinations. I'm not angry at all as I wasn't a huge fan of anyone murdered. I just have felt a bit empty after them. Not so much emotion as in a Red/Purple Wedding or Jon Snow style assassination. Still, some seriously heavy hitters have been taken out quite quickly and things are really heating up. It's tough to put a finger on what might happen next with such volatile people assuming control.
I seem to recall reading about a theory about how Hodor came to lose his mind but can't remember the details. Was that posted by anyone here?
And what's the plan with the dragons? They weren't actually set free yet it didn't seem, although I thought they would be after Tyrion's talk with Varys, Missandei and Grey Worm. Of course, he could, and likely will, set them free at any point in the future with things going left so quickly in Meereen. I'm wondering if that whole thing wasn't a bit of foreshadowing for Tyrion riding one (not a fan of that theory). [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCUnited:
That was a fun episode and I enjoyed it. I think my only critique is how rushed some of the assassinations are happening. In 2 episodes, you have the Prince of Dorne stabbed, the Lord of Winterfell stabbed, and ol boy from the Iron Islands thrown off a bridge. Part of what I loved about past seasons was the vast development of the setup, the game, but I recognize they can't do that for every story line. Kind of what they're doing with Cersei and the Sparrows storyline, building it to a level you can anticipate. But yeah, small personal critique as that was a great episode for this early in the season.
The books would kill off anyone at any time, no matter how major piece they they have been in the books. And kill them without nay build up. The TV is just following the book lead. It makes the TV series better because you truly don't know what will happen. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan:
The only thing I didn't like was if they were headed down this road of reviving John Snow, they should've killed him episode nine of season five, and resurrected him episode ten. I think the cliffhanger to that would've been more effective. No one bought that he was dead, so we had a literal Kit Harrington Watch going on for 8 months, it was kind of annoying.
If they would've ended the season as they ended Episode two, I just feel they could've been out in front of this whole thing. They now appear stupid in all of their attempts to keep this under wraps.
Show me a fan of the show who thought he was really dead?
If they had not shown Davos/Mellisandre being in the same place where Jon Snow was going to die, that would have made it more believable. [Reply]
I seem to recall reading about a theory about how Hodor came to lose his mind but can't remember the details. Was that posted by anyone here?
And what's the plan with the dragons? They weren't actually set free yet it didn't seem, although I thought they would be after Tyrion's talk with Varys, Missandei and Grey Worm. Of course, he could, and likely will, set them free at any point in the future with things going left so quickly in Meereen. I'm wondering if that whole thing wasn't a bit of foreshadowing for Tyrion riding one (not a fan of that theory).
I don't know the Hodor theory, but there must be something therer or they wouldn't have bothered to show it. It should be revealed this eason I would think.
In the books, I think Tyrion may end up being a secret Targaryan due to Tywin's wife and old mad King Aerys having an affair. That may be how he ends up a dragon rider. In the show, that is too complicated I think, so I think they will just have him gain the dragons' trust by being nice to them and freeing them, so I think they will get a few more Tyrion bonding scenes before they are completely free.
So, the next episode is called Oathbreaker. If you recall the Night's Watch vow, it starts off with "Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death." Now that Jon has died and come back, I think he is technically free from his vows and can leave the Night's Watch with no issues. May have something to do with Brienne's sword "Oathkeeper" as well since it was made from Ned Stark's sword Ice. [Reply]
