Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
So it was more they died with covid 19 than because of it
Theirin lies the issue with reporting and reporting something to advance a narrative or reportage by journalists with no medical background. Pathologists must go near insane when they read some of these "conclusions" and pure speculation in the media.
Pathologists would be able to confirm the subject is dead.
But if the subject had a history of substantial health issues that were ongoing and passed on while they had Covid 19 it would be near impossible to isolate Covid as the cause of lets say renal failure if the subject had prior history of Kidney issues. [Reply]
Coast Guard Tells Cruise Ships With COVID-19 Cases To Stay Away From U.S. Ports
Who the hell is still taking Cruises at this point ?
I don't get the coast guard stance. It's not as if they're trying to keep the virus out. It's everywhere. Do the right thing and help the people aboard the ships. [Reply]
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Telling us what "he said" without an actual link to prove it?
Convenient.
I read the same thing. He wasn't saying that ONLY hospice patients died but that since Italy counts anyone who dies with Covid-19 as being someone who dies FROM Covid-19 and because the vast majority were older people with multiple comorbidities... the actual numbers are greatly exaggerated. he said it's hard to know but he believes a good number of those who died in the 80+ age range were not long for this world regardless. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
I don't get the coast guard stance. It's not as if they're trying to keep the virus out. It's everywhere. Do the right thing and help the people aboard the ships.
taking a cruise during a pandemic was reckless in the 1st place.
One of the women here in oakland said she was on chemotherapy and needed off her cruise to get her treatments.
Taking a cruise while you have cancer during a pandemic is equivalent to suicide [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
I don't get the coast guard stance. It's not as if they're trying to keep the virus out. It's everywhere. Do the right thing and help the people aboard the ships.
111 are American citizens that are asymptomatic. 56 from Florida. They should be allowed off the ship immediately. Since when do we deny American citizens back into America? Are we that scared? Take a look around. The cats out of the bag, it’s everywhere. [Reply]
March 1st - 1 total death
March 15 - 110 total deaths
April 1st - 5,100 total deaths
The trend is not great over the last few weeks, especially the last 7 days. Two days in a row over 900 deaths each day. If this is our new "norm" for awhile, it's gonna be ugly to watch this play out. [Reply]
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan:
Theirin lies the issue with reporting and reporting something to advance a narrative or reportage by journalists with no medical background. Pathologists must go near insane when they read some of these "conclusions" and pure speculation in the media.
Pathologists would be able to confirm the subject is dead.
But if the subject had a history of substantial health issues that were ongoing and passed on while they had Covid 19 it would be near impossible to isolate Covid as the cause of lets say renal failure if the subject had prior history of Kidney issues.
This is not an easy conclusion at all. If someone has a history of CKD, contracts Covid-19, develops secondary pneumonia, sepsis, renal failure and dies, what is the cause of death?
If they are placed on Hydroxychloroquine, develop torsade de pointes and die, what is the cause of death?
If they develop myocarditis, what is the cause of death?
If they become fluid overloaded, developed pulmonary edema and die, what is the cause of death?
How do you definitively prove these things?
Cause of death is a clinical impression, and death certificates have room for more than one causative factor. Otherwise, every death certificate would say cardiac arrest (you are discouraged from putting cardiac arrest as the cause of death). [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
111 are American citizens that are asymptomatic. 56 from Florida. They should be allowed off the ship immediately. Since when do we deny American citizens back into America? Are we that scared? Take a look around. The cats out of the bag, it’s everywhere.
These are extreme times so extreme measures need to be taken. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
I don't get the coast guard stance. It's not as if they're trying to keep the virus out. It's everywhere. Do the right thing and help the people aboard the ships.
We lack a lot of ports in Missouri. So I have no real fear. But, NY, Fla, Washington, California have a lot and I could understand people there saying wait....we dont want the sick people here, we have enough. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DRM08:
March 1st - 1 total death
March 15 - 110 total deaths
April 1st - 5,100 total deaths
The trend is not great over the last few weeks, especially the last 7 days. Two days in a row over 900 deaths each day. If this is our new "norm" for awhile, it's gonna be ugly to watch this play out.
Not going to guess numbers but all those days we’ve had 15K-25K new cases is going to turn into 1,000-2,500 deaths a day. Unfortunately we’re going to have a few weeks of this. [Reply]