Originally Posted by RINGLEADER:
Sorry, no thanks.
I’m a football lifer.
I hope you’re right, but it will not be a good look when teams hold an opponent to 120 yards of offense and lose 21-20 because three returns that would never have happened any other season.
And yes I get that you have to stop the other team. And they may find it actually reduces injuries. But I still don’t like it.
Sure, but how is that any different than losing a game because:
-The offense fumbles the ball out of bounds through the end zone on the 1 inch line
-A key turnover is negated because a player who made no impact on the play was lined up 3" too far forward
-A key catch is overturned because the tip of the ball hit the ground and the ball wiggled a smidge as a result
-A team is awarded a 60-yard gain on a catch because the defender touched the receiver 10 milliseconds too early
-A team is given a first down because the defender hit a player 10 milliseconds after the runner's foot hits out of bounds
-A team is given a free first down because a pass rusher's finger grazes the face of the QB
You could come up with a dozen other examples without even having to think very hard. The entire game is all made-up bullshit. The bullshit creates drama and discussion, which creates more interest. It's literally why the NFL is so popular compared other sports.
Does this kickoff rule seem contrived and weird? Yep. But do I think anyone will think much of it in 5 years? Nah. It's just the continued evolution of this weird "sport" that we love. [Reply]
I mean, think about it, why does football even have kickers? It's a game of 11 on 11...except for the fact that the higher-scoring player on most teams is a guy who couldn't play any of those 22 positions. The only reason we don't think that's weird is that it's always been that way. [Reply]
New kickoff rule was a trip to watch for first time. Lower kicks, returners field on a hop or two. Need some shortstop/3b ball skills. Payton: “It’s a completely different play.” Said there will be “double-digit TD returns” in league this year. #9sports
Not sure I’m gonna be a fan of the new rule, but whatever makes kickoffs more exciting than they have been for the last few years is good. An endless parade of touchbacks every game/week/season just blows. [Reply]
I have been thinking about this a bit more. It has the potential to really make the kicking game a lot more important. Probably not as important as good offence and good defense, but a lot closer in importance than it is now.
Field goals and great field goal kickers are already underrated. Brady would not have won all those Super Bowls if it weren’t for Vinatieri and to a lessor extent Gostkowski. And we have a great advantage here already with Butker and unfortunately, the ravens do too with Tucker.
But now the kick return game will take on much more added significance.
We might also be in a great position here. Toney might even redeem himself. He is undeniably great in the open field. I’m not sure if his big problem in catching the ball ever came in to play for catching kicks like it did for catching passes. But even if it does with the new rule, the team can’t move forward until he touches the ball so he should still have time to recover if he fumbles. Also we could always put somebody close to him with blocking as the primary job, but his secondary job would be too get fumbles if Toney fumbles. Who knows, if he gains his confidence back on the kicking game, it might even help him as a receiver. I think his problem there is more in his head than just having boards for hands.
The only thing that will stop the kicking game from getting increased importance is for kickers that can punch it through the end zone, and we have a great advantage there also.
But I think that advantage will be short-lived. If the NFL doesn’t get the exciting kickoff game it is looking for I think next year they will just make the kicker move back even further so kicking it out of the end zone is very hard to do.
The more I think about this new rule, the more I think I like it, and that it will add excitement to the game. And may not even hurt us against lesser teams as much as I originally worried it would. [Reply]
It makes a lot of sense despite being called out in another thread for it. We may have a unique advantage in having guys on the roster who can kick off a tee [Reply]
Yeah the whole thing is a bad rule change to begin with. I could see other teams doing the same thing to protect their Kicker. Kickers are pretty damned important in the NFL so maybe the NFL should rethink this one. [Reply]
Originally Posted by philfree:
Yeah the whole thing is a bad rule change to begin with. I could see other teams doing the same thing to protect their Kicker. Kickers are pretty damned important in the NFL so maybe the NFL should rethink this one.
The NFL couldn't give a shit about kickers. Kickers aren't going to move the TV ratings needle. No one is going to not watch the Chiefs because Butker is hurt. [Reply]
NFL tweaks new kickoff rule by banning one type of kick: Packers coach thinks more changes could be coming
The NFL's new kickoff hasn't even been used in a single game yet and the league is already making some small changes to the new rule.
Spoiler!
In a memo that was sent out on July 25, the league let all 32 teams know that kickers will NOT be allowed to place the football sideways on the tee for a kickoff. When the ball is placed on a tee for a kickoff, it can only be elevated a maximum of one inch off the ground. If the ball is placed on the tee horizontally, then it ends up being about 1.5 inches off the ground, which is why the NFL is prohibiting the horizontal set up.
In the image below, you can see what it looks like when a ball is set up horizontally on the tee.
Apparently, kickers were looking to get an edge with the new kickoff rule, and one way they were going to do that was to set up the ball horizontally, which would have allowed them to put a spin on the ball that they can't do when it's set up vertically.
Under NFL rules, kickers are only allowed to use a one-inch tee for kickoffs. Most kickers around the league use a version of the tee below when kicking off.
On a normal kickoff, the ball is placed vertically into the divot, which puts the ball one inch above the ground. If the ball is placed sideways, it's not in the divot, which puts it above the one-inch limit. In the memo, the NFL did note that the ball CAN be placed sideways if it's directly on the ground. The kicker is also allowed to LEAN the ball up against the tee.
After watching the NFL make this change, at least one assistant coach thinks there could be a few more tweaks before the start of the regular season. Packers special teams coach Rich Bisaccia was asked this week if he thought we would see any more changes to the rule in the next few weeks, and he had an interesting answer.
"I do. Especially as we go through the first three preseason games, I think there will be some sort of, maybe amendments, to some of the rules. Maybe amendments to some of the lineups as well," Bisaccia told the media on Monday. "Fortunately, we're going to practice against two teams. We've been encouraged to practice this against each other, have conversations about it and talk about sending some of the practice film to the league so they can see what it looks like from a practice setting as well."
The new kickoff rule is arguably the biggest rule change in recent NFL history and there could certainly be some unintended consequences, which the league now seems to realize. Bisaccia thinks the league might look to fix those unintended consequences by tweaking the rule.
"As the year goes on -- because it's already happened -- we feel like there's going to be amendments to the rules according to what happens in the game," Bisaccia said.
The new rule has been an adventure for special teams coaches around the NFL, as they are still trying to figure out what the best strategy is.
"Situationally, it's like, are you going to play every ball or are you going to kick a touchback? What's the new drive start going to become," Bisaccia said. "If the new drive start becomes the 30 and you give up two returns to the 38-yard line, the next one are you going to kick it out and make it a touchback? I think those are the unforeseen consequences of what's going to possibly happen. We're just going to have to play it and see what we're going to do. I think there's going to be many challenges, some I don't really know what they are yet."
Although the rule presents some major challenges for coaches like Bisaccia, he's also excited about the change.
"We'll see what happens when we play those other teams and what they do," Bisaccia said. "I think this new kickoff thing is going to be fun, and confusing, and different and a lot of questions are going to arise."
The new kickoff rule is only guaranteed to be around for one year. If the NFL doesn't like what it sees in 2024, then the league can simply scrap it going forward. However, if Bisaccia's right, the NFL might just keep tweaking the rule until it gets to a version that actually works.