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Nzoner's Game Room>Before he was promoted to GM, Brett Veach put Patrick Mahomes on Chiefs’ radar
DaneMcCloud 02:42 PM 08-18-2017
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...168028227.html

Before he was promoted to GM, Brett Veach put Patrick Mahomes on Chiefs’ radar

BY TEREZ A. PAYLOR

When the Chiefs selected Patrick Mahomes with the 10th overall pick in this year’s NFL Draft, then-general manager John Dorsey proudly declared it an organizational decision, one that everyone in the front office got behind. New general manager Brett Veach, it turns out, was among those who spearheaded that effort, as coach Andy Reid recently identified him as the one who initially put Mahomes on his and Dorsey’s radar. “He kind of brought him to John and I’s attention — he was all in on this guy,” Reid said. “That was his guy, and he said, ‘Hey, you’ve got to look at this guy and just see him.’

“He wore John and I out about him.”

If Mahomes — who has had a strong camp — develops into the quarterback the Chiefs think he can be, he’ll be added to the long list of Veach recommendations who ended up becoming good NFL players. “If he brings you (a player) and he’s that sold on him, you better take a look at him,” Reid said. “He’s brought to me (guys) like DeSean Jackson, LeSean McCoy and Fletcher Cox — all these guys, and it was early, before anybody really had a beat on it. “And (back then) … I’m going, ‘Wow, he’s got kind of a knack for this thing.’” A solid scouting eye, along with organization and communication, were the traits Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt emphasized during his two-week search after firing Dorsey.

One month into his tenure, Hunt has no regrets about his decision to replace Dorsey with Veach, his former co-director of player personnel. “I’ll say I’m just very pleased with the job that he’s doing,” Hunt said. “I think he’s brought a lot of maturity and stability to the job … I think (Dorsey and Veach) bring a lot of the same skill sets, but they’re not going to go about their business in the same way.”

There are two other reasons Hunt is optimistic the move will work. Reid’s trust in Veach and Veach’s relationships with the Chiefs’ personnel and scouting staffs, which are regarded as two of the league’s strongest. As their co-worker since 2013, he has intimate knowledge of their strengths and weaknesses. That knowledge could prove to be critical because Veach ultimately will be judged by how well he matches Dorsey’s undeniably strong draft record. “Anytime you have a change, you’re concerned about that change and maybe it disrupting the apple cart,” Hunt said. “But that’s not been the case with Brett.” That’s not to say Reid and Veach won’t disagree sometimes. Though Veach is 19 years younger than Reid, he says Veach is not shy about voicing his opinion.

“That’s the name of the game — the communication part of it and talking,” Reid said. “Listen, that’s not the job I want to do. That’s not where I’m at. But if you give me somebody, I’m gonna tell you what to look at, I’m gonna tell you what I think. And if you stand up on the table for him, I’m open. When we’re doing it the way we do it, I’m watching two or three games and between Dorse and Brett, they were watching every game.” Veach got his NFL start in Philadelphia, where he learned from then-general manager Tom Heckert. Veach also credits ex-Colts general manager Ryan Grigson, who was the Eagles’ director of college scouting, for teaching him to care about road scouts, who work long, lonely hours and need a good boss to keep their morale high.

“You’re on the road, you’re away from your family for 16 or 17 days, and you’re not living in Kansas City but you are as big a part as anybody in regards to the success on the field and you feel detached,” Veach said. “So you have to make sure those guys realize how important they are … you have to have things in place during the course of the year to show them they are important.” Once in Kansas City, Veach learned Ron Wolf’s time-tested, long and arduous process of scouting prospects from Dorsey, who held long, multi-week evaluation sessions with the Chiefs’ college scouting department. They would get together in a room, grind through the tape and reach a consensus about their entire draft board, and Veach saw how well that process — which isn’t standard across the league — led to the Chiefs’ 43-21 record under Dorsey. “I think when you do a 17-day process and you watch everybody all at once, then you go out on the pro-day circuit and come back and watch tape for 14 more days, then take a break and come back for three or four days to put your board together, it really enables the room to develop that buy-in and say ‘this is our guy,’” Veach said.

That process is not exactly foolproof, though. When the staff gathers for those evaluation sessions, the group’s opinion on a player can be swayed by multiple factors, including a scout’s forcefulness or meekness, his tendency to grade harshly or lightly or even his ability to evaluate by position, which is hardly uniform. But that’s the benefit to being in those sessions with Dorsey. Veach knows all his scout’s strengths and weaknesses already, which he can factor into the decision-making process without a learning curve. “You only know that with time and familiarity,” Veach said. Which is why Hunt is betting that Veach’s possession of both in Kansas City will keep the Chiefs a consistent winner in 2017 and beyond. “I’ve been very impressed with the job he’s done over the last month,” Hunt said. “But the truth is his impact is going to happen over two or three years, not over any four- or six-week period.”
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CaliforniaChief 01:04 PM 08-19-2017
I can't embed the video, but I noticed a really odd interchange between Dorsey and Hunt at 1:15 (a little after) in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kdAdBOlH8
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saphojunkie 01:24 PM 08-19-2017
Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief:
I can't embed the video, but I noticed a really odd interchange between Dorsey and Hunt at 1:15 (a little after) in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kdAdBOlH8
I didn't need to watch it again, but I did. It's like chalmers hitting the three in 08. I can watch it over and over and over.
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MahiMike 01:30 PM 08-19-2017
Seems fishy.
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Ming the Merciless 01:33 PM 08-19-2017
Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks:
By yours and many other definitions here, I am definitively not a Chiefs fan.. so there you go. I just want the Chiefs to win it all, have a strong knowledge of their personnel and recent history, and have a strong interest in how all of the players and coaches do as the years unfold.

Not a life-long Chiefs fan from here on, probably, but we'll see. No marriage plans in mind or in place.
You're also a lying sack of shit as you have no actual Interest in the chiefs winning. The only thing you care about is Alex. Period. If Alex got benched you would suddenly lose interest in the chiefs winning...and root AGAINST Mahomes. Everyone knows this.
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Hoover 02:09 PM 08-19-2017
Well this certainly makes me feel better, and now its a bit easier to see how things went down. If Mahomes was/is Veach's guy then I want him to be the GM. When you draft a talent like this its not a one year commitment, we need to keep invensting in Mahomes by putting the right peices around him. Doresy was outstanding on the defensive side of the ball, but frankly was always amazed at how the Chiefs avoided offensive players in the draft considering Reid was our HC. Fisher was the only big investment in the office we have made throught the draft. Kelce is a stud, but was a third rounder, and Hill was a 5th round pick. Those picks are amazing, but the focus of our future drafts need to now skew to the offensive side of the ball now that we have drafted our franchise QB.
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bevischief 03:08 PM 08-19-2017
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I have a confession. I'm Brett Veach.
:-)
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chiefzilla1501 03:40 PM 08-19-2017
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
I hope all of that is true. But it sounds kind of like the old training camp blowing rainbows up everybody's ass. Kind of like how Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of Chnt Edwards was going to fix the defense and stay out of the offense. (**** that ****ing guy). Kind of forming the narrative to support your decision.

Hopefully it's not though. There isn't much out there for contrarian evidence (Like there was with Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards).

And hopefully Veach can fix some of the holes with the effectiveness Dorsey did with the secondary and DL. If he could fine a cheap edge rusher and pass catcher we will be a pretty tough team to beat.



Yeah I read that when I posted the interview it's from. Yikes. Hopefully Clark didn't fire the best GM we've had since the 60s because of a few tough edges.
On the flip side, firing a GM is a good excuse to distance yourself from a pick or to act neutral (then in the future blame the pick on Dorsey). That they are going out of the way to give Veach credit is a really great sign that they love what they see from Mahomes so far.
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