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Nzoner's Game Room>Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
DaFace 01:06 PM 09-29-2018
Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.
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htismaqe 12:03 PM 10-25-2018
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
Wasn't Houston's injury projected as a 2-3 week recovery? This is the third week, so barring the team being full of shit on injuries as they often are, his overpaid ass should be on the field next week.
I googled it just to see and pretty much every report just says "a few weeks".
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OKchiefs 12:07 PM 10-25-2018
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
I googled it just to see and pretty much every report just says "a few weeks".
Fair enough. Hopefully that's the case.
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MIAdragon 12:11 PM 10-25-2018
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
Can't wait until the day he's cut.
What a waste.
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Eleazar 12:20 PM 10-25-2018
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
Can't wait until the day he's cut.
By a surgeon?
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GloryDayz 02:25 PM 10-25-2018
Originally Posted by In58men:
Why?

So he can say “I’m making progress and everyday I’m feeling more and more better”
There's something to be said for making him speak. You might be right and that could be his exact quote, but that would go a long way to the team helping to justify the fan's outrage (which might actually help mose the process along). And that might be the "get back to playing" process, or the "you're cut" process.

I have no doubt he's not getting online and reading the fan's frustration with him, therefore I'm convinced he knows how we feel, so making him speak has no downside at this point.

But alas, I think this is another "because Chiefs" deal where they don't have the guts to cut him and move on. They'll do what has always killed them, be too loyal to individual players and not treating them like replaceable assets when they aren't producing.

Fuck Eric Berry!
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Pasta Little Brioni 02:28 PM 10-25-2018
If he was healthy he'd play. The thought that they are saving him is dumb as fuck. He can't play at an NFL level right now, so he sits till he can. Some of you are like children.
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GloryDayz 02:54 PM 10-25-2018
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball:
If he was healthy he'd play. The thought that they are saving him is dumb as fuck. He can't play at an NFL level right now, so he sits till he can. Some of you are like children.
Just stop! He's a bit to expensive for that thinking. This is a business man, and if he can't perform THE CHIEFS (not him, he's just in it for the money at this point), need to cut him.

It's not easy being a boss, and the Chief's leadership is proving that they aren't quite up to the job. Not that it would be easy, Berry was awesome, beat cancer, and was well loved, but at this point they need to tell him that it's just business.
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farmerchief 03:17 PM 10-25-2018
Originally Posted by GloryDayz:
Just stop! He's a bit to expensive for that thinking. This is a business man, and if he can't perform THE CHIEFS (not him, he's just in it for the money at this point), need to cut him.

It's not easy being a boss, and the Chief's leadership is proving that they aren't quite up to the job. Not that it would be easy, Berry was awesome, beat cancer, and was well loved, but at this point they need to tell him that it's just business.
Need to place him on IR for the year, and then when we win the superbowl, deny him any superbowl bonus, that will teach him!:-)
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GloryDayz 06:32 PM 10-25-2018
Originally Posted by farmerchief:
Need to place him on IR for the year, and then when we win the superbowl, deny him any superbowl bonus, that will teach him!:-)
That works too.
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FloridaMan88 07:12 PM 10-25-2018
Obviously there is some behind the scenes disagreement between the Chiefs and Eric Berry about his supposed injury situation.

Why else would the Chiefs continue to say that he is “day to day” and list him as Questionable on the weekly injury report?

“Day to day” and Questionable are usually not applied to injuries that are significant enough to keep a player from even practicing for half a season and for 2+ months.
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GloryDayz 07:22 PM 10-25-2018
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
Obviously there is some behind the scenes disagreement between the Chiefs and Eric Berry about his supposed injury situation.

Why else would the Chiefs continue to say that he is “day to day” and list him as Questionable on the weekly injury report?

“Day to day” and Questionable are usually not applied to injuries that are significant enough to keep a player from even practicing for half a season and for 2+ months.
The Chiefs prolly have me listed as day-to-day too.
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Titty Meat 07:29 PM 10-25-2018
No need to rush him or Houston back now. This schedule is SOFT
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booger 07:30 PM 10-25-2018
Doesn’t need a separate thread really but today from a Q/A with Al Harris
https://www.chiefs.com/news/five-thi...es-on-thursday
The link has a video I haven’t looked at yet. Doesn’t mean a whole lot but I know I’m not the only one who wants to see him stay in the starting lineup at least until/if Berry gets back. Definitely would be disappointed if they put Murray right back in now and didn’t allow this kid to continue to grow hopefully.

2. What is it about Jordan Lucas that has allowed him to come in and give you such productive time at safety?
HARRIS: “The energy. I can’t even explain it. I have a five-year-old and I think their energy matches. He’s always energetic, but the thing about Jordan is that he is extremely coachable. He’s hungry and you can tell him, literally, ‘Hey man, I need you to go run into that wall.’ Nine times out of ten, you look back again and he’s running into that wall. He’s extremely coachable, which is great, because you can just pour it all out into him and he’ll give it to you on the field.”
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FloridaMan88 07:33 PM 10-25-2018
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
No need to rush him or Houston back now. This schedule is SOFT
A bullshit narrative.

Eric Berry hasn’t played football in nearly 14 months and counting.

To “save” him for the playoffs, thinking that he can instantly jump back into game action is not happening.
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Sassy Squatch 07:34 PM 10-25-2018
:-) "Rush" :-)
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