Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by RINGLEADER:
Would love to see a breakout of the underlying conditions because most regular people wouldn’t see some of those things as an “underlying condition” when you hear that term.
“For you to get on the bus … and cough several times w/o covering up your mouth and you know (we’re) in the middle of a pandemic — that lets me know that some folks don’t care,” bus driver Jason Hargrove said 2 weeks ago.
Folks like that need to be called out. I get it that's just now how this society rolls.
I was at the store yesterday while entering I saw an older Asian touch every fucking part of a shopping cart and didn't take said cart. He didn't even bother wiping it down. I called him out over it. Does that make me look like an asshole? I don't care. Society needs to be more forceful on this front. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Interesting. I'll have to give it a look.
I'll throw this out there and i'm interested in your take: There seems to be a line of thinking that at some point the economy collapsing which I suppose could be more of a disaster than the virus itself. I agree with measures taken to combat the virus at this moment but what do you think we should do if in a few months we continue this economic downfall and there's little to suggest we've minimized the virus? It seems to be there will be a vaccine possibly by that point but I just don't see how we can go into the fall and do the samething thing we're doing for the 2nd wave. I'm also skeptical we will have a very effective treatment until this time next year. At that point won't the open everything up crowd have some credibility?
I think that faster and more robust economic stimuli are still needed. That will help. I think that what we need to be doing during this period of lockdown is protecting health care workers and limiting the spread as much as possible while ramping up production of PPE and ventilators as though we were in a wartime situation, because we are. We need enough PPE to not only protect the healthcare workers, but to protect each other when we are out in public and ensuring absolute adherence to wearing PPE. That means masks and hand sanitizer for everyone.
We need to be producing billions of masks, millions of gallons of hand sanitizer, and millions of containers of disinfecting wipes.
If we can do that, then you can ease restrictions substantially. I still don't think you could have restaurants and bars open (because people would have their masks off to eat), but you could open most businesses as long as people were wearing masks while working and adhering to some level of distancing.
Schools could be re-opened with temp scans at the entrance, and lunch could be served in classrooms to mitigate exposure.
Travelers in airports should be required to wear N95 masks before they set foot in the airport. No one in the door or on a shuttle unless they're wearing one.
If hotspots re-emerged, then you could have rolling quarantines of those areas with travel restrictions.
It is a drastic step, but I think you could regain a substantial portion of economic activity while also limiting the spread of the virus and ensuring that hospitals are not overwhelmed. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
I think that faster and more robust economic stimuli are still needed. That will help. I think that what we need to be doing during this period of lockdown is protecting health care workers and limiting the spread as much as possible while ramping up production of PPE and ventilators as though we were in a wartime situation, because we are. We need enough PPE to not only protect the healthcare workers, but to protect each other when we are out in public and ensuring absolute adherence to wearing PPE. That means masks and hand sanitizer for everyone.
We need to be producing billions of masks, millions of gallons of hand sanitizer, and millions of containers of disinfecting wipes.
If we can do that, then you can ease restrictions substantially. I still don't think you could have restaurants and bars open (because people would have their masks off to eat), but you could open most businesses as long as people were wearing masks while working and adhering to some level of distancing.
Schools could be re-opened with temp scans at the entrance, and lunch could be served in classrooms to mitigate exposure.
Travelers in airports should be required to wear N95 masks before they set foot in the airport. No one in the door or on a shuttle unless they're wearing one.
If hotspots re-emerged, then you could have rolling quarantines of those areas with travel restrictions.
It is a drastic step, but I think you could regain a substantial portion of economic activity while also limiting the spread of the virus and ensuring that hospitals are not overwhelmed.
I agree with all of what you said regarding the medical side. Of course I can't find the fucking article that outlines what other countries like Canada have done during this time that was vastly different than what we have done. Interestingly enough those countries who have done the same approach as Canada have a lower amount of job loss. Are you familiar with what I'm talking about? Would really be helpful if I could find the god damn article. My apologies I should have saved it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by SupDock:
Two resident physicians have died in the last 24 hours in NYC.
That’s the scary part one hospitalized patient no matter the age or condition can risk infecting a lot of medical workers over the course of their stay. ( doctors, nurses , lab, diagnostics, cleaning staff, clerks )Opening things up too early would be brutal on the health care workers. My wife has gotten a lot of requests from medical workers for stress leave and we haven’t even had a positive case at our hospital yet. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
This is a little fear mongerish for me
7800 people die every day in American
It's also not like those are literally the number of deaths that happened in that time span. The pace is largely driven by when things get updated. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Ivermectin demonstrates in vitro activity against numerous viruses, but it has not yet translated to in vivo activity.
Hmm, we use ivermectin for worms and lice in cattle, I’ve got some in the cabinet. Hate to think about taking that stuff! Uggh [Reply]