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Patrick Mahomes is the rarest of athletes, with so much physical talent that expectations stretch beyond what should be realistic and so much confidence that his level of play goes even further. He is a revelation.
The experience of watching his career with the Chiefs from the ground up has basically been a weird tug of war between what a logical mind thinks possible and what open eyes see as reality.
So, here’s a moment won by open eyes:
Patrick Mahomes — 23 years old, in his first season as a starter and just his fourth as a full-time football player — will be the NFL’s MVP if he closes even nearly as well as he’s begun.
We can do this statistically. We can do this schematically. We can do this emotionally. We can even do this via narrative.
The conclusions are the same, and even allowing for the obvious caveat that the last four games of the season will carry disproportionate importance in the minds of voters, he has been the best player on the best offense and most important position in American sports.
“I don’t want to disrespect him with this, but I see a lot of my young self in him,” Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers said.
“That’s the future of the league,” Patriots quarterback Tom Brady said.
“We look at him as a young Brett Favre but just more athletic,” Ravens cornerback Jimmy Smith said.
The MVP is among the most subjective awards in any sport. That might be particularly true in football, which is harder to quantify than baseball, for instance. What’s most valuable to you might be different than what’s most valuable to me.
But at least at the moment, Mahomes’ case borders on overwhelming.
He leads the NFL in touchdown passes, touchdown percentage and total quarterback rating. He is second in yards and passer rating. The NFL has made itself into a league ruled by offense. The Chiefs have scored more points than anyone else, and Mahomes is the single biggest reason.
He has thrown as many touchdowns as Rodgers and Brady combined, and as many as the man he replaced threw in the last two seasons combined. He is on pace to tie Peyton Manning’s all-time record of 55 touchdown passes in a season. There is a logical case to be made that Mahomes is having the best season by a quarterback in NFL history.
Drew Brees is the closest thing to Mahomes’ statistical equal — first in passer rating and completion percentage, with 30 touchdowns (third) and just three interceptions. He is a Super Bowl champion and first-ballot Hall of Famer who might benefit from a sentimental vote. But he also threw for just 127 yards, one touchdown and an interception in an ugly and nationally televised 13-10 loss at Dallas. That will be tough for voters to forget.
This sounds made up, but Mahomes’ worst game of the season was either the time he won at Denver on Monday night with a left-handed pass, threw for more than 300 yards in a blowout win over Jacksonville, became the youngest quarterback to throw for 350 yards and four touchdowns against Bill Belichick, or that time he threw for 478 yards and six touchdowns against the Rams.
One more time: Those are his worst games.
If you are the type to take the “V” in MVP literally, then Mahomes’ case is conveniently and uniquely clear.
A year ago, with a quarterback who has shown himself to be somewhere between average and good, the Chiefs finished fifth in yards and sixth in points. Alex Smith had an MVP-worthy first five games, then mostly struggled thereafter, including zero points after halftime in an embarrassing playoff loss.
Mahomes now leads the same offense. Same head coach, mostly the same teammates. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are again the top pass catchers. Mitchell Schwartz and Eric Fisher are again the starting tackles. Injuries have again required reshuffling the interior of the line. Sammy Watkins (when healthy) is an upgrade as the No. 2 receiver, but the biggest difference other than Mahomes is that Kareem Hunt has just been released.
Professional football includes too many moving parts for a controlled experiment.
This is the closest we will ever see:
The Chiefs are averaging 11 more points and 62 more yards. They have already scored 14 more touchdowns. That’s because of Mahomes.
A year ago, with a system based on timing and scheme and matchups, the Chiefs scored more than 35 points twice and averaged 26 points. This year, with a system that includes all of that but also features a supernaturally talented quarterback, they are averaging 37 and haven’t scored less than 26.
Their defense has actually been worse, but the team has gone from a 10-6 division winner to 10-2 and among the betting favorites to win the Super Bowl.
In other words: Mahomes has pushed this team from a representative division winner to a real-life Super Bowl contender, despite the defense being statistically worse.
If that’s not an MVP, what is?
Mahomes would be the first MVP in Chiefs history, and the youngest since Dan Marino in 1984 — also 23, also in his second year in the league. And he would have earned it. The Chiefs’ next three games are against three top 10 defenses — Ravens (first), Chargers (seventh) and Seahawks (ninth).
That’s a brutal finish, even without this now being the longest season Mahomes has played since high school. He will be tested in new ways, by some of the best minds, bodies and defenses in the league.
The Ravens are a particular challenge. They have the best pass defense in the league (5.1 yards per attempt). In four games against Atlanta’s Matt Ryan, New Orleans’ Drew Brees and Pittsburgh’s Ben Roethlisberger (twice), they gave up an average of 212 passing yards.
The Ravens blitzed Ryan and Brees more often than not, according to Pro Football Focus, and there was a time that would’ve been a major worry for the Chiefs.
Mahomes came to them with unique talent, but the coaching staff saw his blitz recognition as one of his biggest needs for improvement. This week, Reid singled out that specific trait when asked where Mahomes has progressed faster than expected. He didn’t add this part, but the Chiefs saw this almost immediately, when Mahomes shredded the Steelers’ “Blitzburgh” defense for 126 yards and two touchdowns on 12 blitzes.
“He was better than we thought,” Steelers linebacker Bud Dupree said after that game. “I feel like his intelligence was better than we thought. We thought since he was a young quarterback we could trick him.”
The mistake Dupree described there was planning for what a logical mind would think possible.
We are now 12 games in, with enough evidence to believe in a reality greater than anyone could have imagined.
+ Mahomes has probably played the most difficult schedule of those he is competing against.
+ Chiefs are playing a 1st place schedule where they are playing the NFC West and NFC North this year. This team is playoff ready by playing big games vs Chargers, Steelers, Patriots, and Rams.
+With three potential AFC West teams in the hunt for the playoffs, find me a more difficult division? [Reply]
Originally Posted by CervezaChill:
It's amazing how national media keeps pushing big market stars as the MVP and find ways to minimize Patrick's achievements.
The latest narrative is 'all QBs are having great stats because of the rule changes, make Aaron Donald MVP'.
No they are not. Mahomes has accounted for more TDs by himself than 29 other teams. He is the clear MVP.
I don't know what you're on about.
Mahomes has been hyped more than any QB in the NFL and has been hyped more than any young player at any position I can remember in my 20 years as a fan.
If you think he's being slighted, I don't know what to tell you. [Reply]
Originally Posted by bobbything:
Is it just me or has Aaron Rodgers become kind of douchey? I mean, I always kind of thought of him as pretty laid back and fairly humble. Over the last few years he's come across as much more smug and arrogant.
Maybe I'm reading his quote wrong.
Huh? Rodgers was always a douche going back to college. Hell, there was speculation that Rodgers being an arrogant dickwad is why the 49ers took Alex Smith.
People are noticing it now because they're losing. Dude has had beefs with coaches, players, and his own family.
Seems every time an offensive player not named Jordy Nelson leaves GB the first thing they do is mention that Rodgers is a bad leader or a dickhead.
Rodgers was encouraging the Redskins to sign Greg Jennings during his contract year. IN FRONT OF GREG JENNINGS.
Dude is a ****.
Mahomes has all of his talent, but his teammates coaches and family like him. :-)
I'll take a great QB who's a prick over an average QB who's a 'nice guy', but I'm happy to have a QB that is both of those things. [Reply]
Originally Posted by WhiteWhale:
I don't know what you're on about.
Mahomes has been hyped more than any QB in the NFL and has been hyped more than any young player at any position I can remember in my 20 years as a fan.
If you think he's being slighted, I don't know what to tell you.
Comprehension is not your strong point I guess. I never said he was slighted, everybody recognizes universally he is talented. This is all in context of HIS MVP CREDENTIALS. There's a gap between those two narratives.
Here's a list of 'pundits' who constantly speak little or even negatively of Mahomes MVP chances:
Eric Mangini
Skip Bayless
Jason Whitlock
Kurt Warner
Deion Sanders
Kyle Brandt (always credits KC's weapons more)
Colin Cowherd
Max Kellerman.
And this is only since the Saints-Cowboys game. The list was even longer before that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by rabblerouser:
I'm rubbed raw and tapped out, but jiminy-krampus, this article has me rock hard and jacking it again with my free hand.
Originally Posted by CervezaChill:
Comprehension is not your strong point I guess. I never said he was slighted, everybody recognizes universally he is talented. This is all in context of HIS MVP CREDENTIALS. There's a gap between those two narratives.
Here's a list of 'pundits' who constantly speak little or even negatively of Mahomes MVP chances:
Eric Mangini
Skip Bayless
Jason Whitlock
Kurt Warner
Deion Sanders
Kyle Brandt (always credits KC's weapons more)
Colin Cowherd
Max Kellerman.
And this is only since the Saints-Cowboys game. The list was even longer before that.
Almost all of those guys have taken the opposite position that Mahomes was the MVP as well at some point.
I don't take contrarians who flip positions on a daily basis as seriously as you do, nor do I allow them to make me as upset as you do. I think Deion in particular just does that to rub Shannon Sharpe the wrong way.
You're talking about hot take guys who often take the unpopular position to generate buzz. So what? You also said they're just talking up big market stars.
Originally Posted by WhiteWhale:
I don't know what you're on about.
Mahomes has been hyped more than any QB in the NFL and has been hyped more than any young player at any position I can remember in my 20 years as a fan.
If you think he's being slighted, I don't know what to tell you.
Difficult schedule eh. He’s only beaten 2 teams with winning records [Reply]
Originally Posted by WhiteWhale:
Almost all of those guys have taken the opposite position that Mahomes was the MVP as well at some point.
I don't take contrarians who flip positions on a daily basis as seriously as you do, nor do I allow them to make me as upset as you do. I think Deion in particular just does that to rub Shannon Sharpe the wrong way.
You're talking about hot take guys who often take the unpopular position to generate buzz. So what? You also said they're just talking up big market stars.
Like New Orleans? That giant market?
Not upset at all, in fact I see why they do it. They want to appease people constantly even though you call them 'hot takes'. They are actually well thought out and often catered to their audience. Skip is constantly biased in his opinions to the Cowboys, Brandt to Chicago, and Deion still has his coterie of young players he oft mentions that he mentors/ talks often with (Jalen Ramsey, Deshaun Watson etc).
I like how you jumped to New Orleans as a big market example when I clearly mentioned Aaron Donald in my original post. Again, comprehension not your strongest suit. Brees has the sentimental vote, a completely different point. [Reply]
Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!:
Difficult schedule eh. He’s only beaten 2 teams with winning records
That's not necessarily true. He beat Jacksonville when they were 3-1 and the Bengals when they were 4-2. Both of those teams fell off a cliff after the Chiefs beat them. The Broncos also have a 6-4 record in non-KC games. [Reply]
