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Nzoner's Game Room>Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
DaFace 01:06 PM 09-29-2018
Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.
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Iowanian 09:43 PM 10-19-2018
Well....you know you're about to hear something smart when someone says "iowanian said....."
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Sweet Daddy Hate 10:18 PM 10-19-2018
Originally Posted by FAX:
For example, they may view the Susanna Hoffs
FAX
:-)

Rep.
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Sweet Daddy Hate 10:22 PM 10-19-2018
We could probably get by with "competent", but fuck that. I don't EVEN want to see this FO trying to "Eltard" it up by scrambling for a bunch of FA's, and not trying to actually BUILD something.
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Hammock Parties 09:49 AM 10-20-2018
This guy thinks Berry had surgery and didn't tell the Chiefs.

Originally Posted by :
No surgeries have to be disclosed it is called the HIPAA . The patient is entitled to privacy so Eric Berry had surgery on his foot and never has to be discosed
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If we would have placed him on IR he would have had to of disclosed the surgery. Surgery from this takes 8 weeks to heal. Will return against the rams or after the bye week.
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he had surgery and we will never now. It's a wild goose chase now . Because surgery took place anywhere from kc to Atlanta and good luck finding out who did it.

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TRR 09:58 AM 10-20-2018
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
This guy thinks Berry had surgery and didn't tell the Chiefs.
While we will never know, and I disagree that the team didn’t know, I’ve been wondering if this was the case. Berry was moving well in mini camp and early in training camp. All reports had him ahead of schedule. Then he was basically shut down inexplicably. Everything I’ve read states its a pain tolerance type of thing and only improves with surgery. We know Berry’s a tough dude. It just feels like some procedure occurred that hasn’t been released yet (that’s the mystery in my opinion).
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-King- 10:00 AM 10-20-2018
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
This guy thinks Berry had surgery and didn't tell the Chiefs.
I think they'd be able to tell if a player had surgery or not.
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Hammock Parties 10:05 AM 10-20-2018
Originally Posted by -King-:
I think they'd be able to tell if a player had surgery or not.
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Well yeah, NOW, but like he had during TC or something.
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fairladyZ 10:37 AM 10-20-2018
Even after he was shut down he was never in a boot or hobbled. And he's been running and warming up with the team for over a month. Doubt he had surgery
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Hammock Parties 10:41 AM 10-20-2018
If he only had the minor surgery he could absolutely have been bearing full weight on it for weeks.

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If the surgery is to remove the prominent bone only, then the patient is kept in a splint for approximately two weeks. The sutures are removed, and the patient is allowed to begin bearing some weight after two weeks of non-weightbearing. He or she usually can bear full weight in a few days.

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fairladyZ 10:44 AM 10-20-2018
That would be good, but I thought the only way to access and actually shave the bone was to cut the achilles? And I don't see full weight bearing if that is indeed what needs to be done to shave the bone down for a good while. Plus I'd imagine he would need to be in a boot at bare minimum long enough somebody would have spotted it.
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TLO 10:46 AM 10-20-2018
So he's not playing tomorrow, I'm guessing?
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SAUTO 10:48 AM 10-20-2018
Why would he not tell the team?
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Hammock Parties 10:50 AM 10-20-2018
Originally Posted by fairladyZ:
That would be good, but I thought the only way to access and actually shave the bone was to cut the achilles? And I don't see full weight bearing if that is indeed what needs to be done to shave the bone down for a good while. Plus I'd imagine he would need to be in a boot at bare minimum long enough somebody would have spotted it.
Not according to that page. There are two different versions of the surgery.
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Hammock Parties 10:51 AM 10-20-2018
Originally Posted by SAUTO:
Why would he not tell the team?
Maybe they didn't want him to have the surgery.
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SAUTO 10:52 AM 10-20-2018
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Maybe they didn't want him to have the surgery.
Sounds like a bunch of bullshit.
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