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Nzoner's Game Room>Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
DaFace 01:06 PM 09-29-2018
Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.
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Kiimo 05:18 PM 10-04-2018
My problem is Veach has never identified a good defensive player. All his great things he's done were involved in offense.

I'm starting to wonder if he knows how to do it.
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Sassy Squatch 05:19 PM 10-04-2018
Originally Posted by Kiimosabi:
My problem is Veach has never identified a good defensive player. All his great things he's done were involved in offense.

I'm starting to wonder if he knows how to do it.
He's been attributed with Fletcher Cox.
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pugsnotdrugs19 06:02 PM 10-04-2018
Even if you hate the Speaks pick, and right now I don’t love it but I’m giving it some time... we’ve saw flashes from Nnadi and Watts that make me believe they can eventually be solid starters. O’Daniel will be our moneybacker too, it’s just a matter of time. He started getting snaps Monday night.
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htismaqe 06:04 PM 10-04-2018
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
Even if you hate the Speaks pick, and right now I don’t love it but I’m giving it some time... we’ve saw flashes from Nnadi and Watts that make me believe they can eventually be solid starters. O’Daniel will be our moneybacker too, it’s just a matter of time. He started getting snaps Monday night.
Whole lotta hope here, dude.

I hope your hope is founded.
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Chief Roundup 06:08 PM 10-04-2018
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
He's been attributed with Fletcher Cox.
Well it should be easy to find good D players in the top 15. I know there have been many misses up there as well, but come those should be automatic.
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TribalElder 06:10 PM 10-04-2018
He might make his comeback vs the patriots on sunday night :-)
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pugsnotdrugs19 06:11 PM 10-04-2018
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Whole lotta hope here, dude.

I hope your hope is founded.
Maybe, but I'm not sure its even hope really.

DOD was drafted to specifically play that position and its likely that they are letting him ease into it. Watts is already showing an ability to be a playmaker if nothing else, and that should get him onto the field more and more. Nnadi is as stout as any DL that we have and is playing more and more snaps.

Speaks hasn't shown near as much as Watts or Nnadi imo.
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htismaqe 06:12 PM 10-04-2018
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
Maybe, but I'm not sure its even hope really.

DOD was drafted to specifically play that position and its likely that they are letting him ease into it. Watts is already showing an ability to be a playmaker if nothing else, and that should get him onto the field more and more. Nnadi is as stout as any DL that we have and is playing more and more snaps.
The problem is that the guys in front of them are so bad. They all NEED to be on the field now but they really aren't.
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staylor26 06:12 PM 10-04-2018
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Whole lotta hope here, dude.

I hope your hope is founded.
It’s ok to have hope when they’re 4 games into their careers. Some of you are ignorantly impatient with draft picks.

:-)
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pugsnotdrugs19 06:12 PM 10-04-2018
Originally Posted by TribalElder:
He might make his comeback vs the patriots on sunday night :-)
That is my expectation, especially given that he is doing more stuff now clearly.

That is the game where we need him most in the regular season. I think he plays.
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htismaqe 06:13 PM 10-04-2018
Originally Posted by staylor26:
It’s ok to have hope when we’re 4 games into their careers

:-)
Never said it wasn't ok.

But when we're 40 years into our fandom, hope isn't worth a whole lot.
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staylor26 06:14 PM 10-04-2018
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Never said it wasn't ok.

But when we're 40 years into our fandom, hope isn't worth a whole lot.
Well if you’re going to give it up 4 games into their careers that’s just silly. I don’t care how old you are.

There might no be anybody special out of that group, but there are plenty of reason to have hope we have at least have a couple good football players out of the 4.
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htismaqe 06:15 PM 10-04-2018
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Well if you’re going to give it up 4 games into their careers that’s just silly. I don’t care how old you are.
Nobody said anything about "giving up".

It's more about not giving a crap. Until they can get on the field, they're really not even worth talking about.
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pugsnotdrugs19 06:15 PM 10-04-2018
Kpassagnon is much better today than he was a year ago. For that reason, I am not crushing Speaks just yet.
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staylor26 06:17 PM 10-04-2018
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Nobody said anything about "giving up".

It's more about not giving a crap. Until they can get on the field, they're really not even worth talking about.
Yet here you are talking about them.

Why not just ignore the talk then?
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