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Nzoner's Game Room>Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
DaFace 01:06 PM 09-29-2018
Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.
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Marcellus 07:19 PM 11-05-2018
Originally Posted by Frazod:
Something just occurred to me - I wonder if Berry is getting pressured/paid off not to play. A healthy Berry in the secondary could make all the difference against the LA teams and in the playoffs.

All he has to do is keep saying that it hurts too bad to play. How could the staff prove otherwise?

Sure hope this isn't the case, but I've grown cynical enough over the years to believe it.
Dude makes so much $ you couldn't pay him off to not play.
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Sassy Squatch 07:20 PM 11-05-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
In other words you don't really know anything you are just speculating on your own and using that speculation to drive your anger.

I'm as disappointed as any poster here that Berry hasn't played, he is one of my favorite players. It fucking sucks. But Im not mad about it because thats just stupid.
So a Haglunds deformity is just going to go away magically? Or do you actually believe it's anything other than that.
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Frazod 07:21 PM 11-05-2018
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
:-)

Another team paying a player not to play.

Not a chance. Especially when money literally means nothing to Berry at this point. He has to be one of the richest non-QB players in the NFL.
I'm not suggesting its another team.

And if you think rich people don't always want more money, you haven't been paying attention. There's no such thing as rich enough.
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Spott 07:25 PM 11-05-2018
I just wish they would be upfront and honest about his injury status. I don’t see Berry as a guy that would just play the system like this, especially after he came back from cancer and barely missed any time. All this speculation just makes the situation worse and could be easily avoided.
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Frazod 07:26 PM 11-05-2018
Originally Posted by Spott:
I just wish they would be upfront and honest about his injury status. I don’t see Berry as a guy that would just play the system like this, especially after he came back from cancer and barely missed any time. All this speculation just makes the situation worse and could be easily avoided.
Absolutely. The week-to-week bullshit and utter silence from both him and the organization are maddening.
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Marcellus 07:27 PM 11-05-2018
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
So a Haglunds deformity is just going to go away magically? Or do you actually believe it's anything other than that.
What the whole issue is has never actually been confirmed, there was one claim made that it is a Haglunds deformity, we dont know that :-)

Or it could be that with something else on top of it. Or something else completely.

My point is we don't KNOW what the issue is. I imagine we will find out eventually but Im not sure what difference it makes. I would prefer to pass judgment once we actually know.

If Berry doesn't play this year it will have been a pretty major failure somewhere along the line. But that hasn't happened yet.

I know not everyone feels teh same way but I kind of believe the guy has earned the benefit of the doubt. If he hasn't I don't know who ever has.
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Frazod 07:32 PM 11-05-2018
IMO, he's long since burned through that benefit of the doubt shit. Hasn't played since Week 1 of 2017. It's now coming up on Week 10 of 2018.

Enough already.
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PAChiefsGuy 07:32 PM 11-05-2018
Originally Posted by Frazod:
I'm not suggesting its another team.

And if you think rich people don't always want more money, you haven't been paying attention. There's no such thing as rich enough.
I think a lot of the Eric Berry hate is simply jealousy..

He's rich and can't play right now because he is injured. Get over it already. We are still 8-1... You guys act like we are going to miss the playoffs because of him being hurt. We don't even need him right now there's no need to rush him back.
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Sassy Squatch 07:34 PM 11-05-2018
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
I think a lot of the Eric Berry hate is simply jealousy..

He's rich and can't play right now because he is injured. Get over it already. We are still 8-1... You guys act like we are going to miss the playoffs because of him being hurt. We don't even need him right now there's no need to rush him back.
:-) Jealous? Are you an idiot? I'm just sick of watching the position where he should be playing continue to be a dumpster fire week after week after week.
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Marcellus 07:37 PM 11-05-2018
Originally Posted by Frazod:
IMO, he's long since burned through that benefit of the doubt shit. Hasn't played since Week 1 of 2017. It's now coming up on Week 10 of 2018.

Enough already.
So you actually think he could play and he just isn't playing for some reason?
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Frazod 07:38 PM 11-05-2018
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
I think a lot of the Eric Berry hate is simply jealousy..

He's rich and can't play right now because he is injured. Get over it already. We are still 8-1... You guys act like we are going to miss the playoffs because of him being hurt. We don't even need him right now there's no need to rush him back.
This is one of the dumbest goddamn things I've ever seen posted here.

I'm not jealous of Berry - I just want him to DO HIS FUCKING JOB. The job he gets paid millions of dollars to do. Or at the very least, know why he can't.
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Discuss Thrower 07:40 PM 11-05-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
So you actually think he could play and he just isn't playing for some reason?
I think he's holding himself out for the playoffs... though I don't like the idea that I'm basically agreeing with one of the chucklefucks on local radio who theorize he's holding out for his first game back to be the SB since it's in Atlanta.
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Frazod 07:41 PM 11-05-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
So you actually think he could play and he just isn't playing for some reason?
It's a possibility that fits the present circumstances. Obviously I don't know. And I certainly hope that it's not the case.

Again, this could all be cleared up with an honest press conference. Ultimately, all that fucking money in his pocket does come from us.
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Marcellus 07:44 PM 11-05-2018
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
I think he's holding himself out for the playoffs... though I don't like the idea that I'm basically agreeing with one of the chuckle****s on local radio who theorize he's holding out for his first game back to be the SB since it's in Atlanta.
I dont see this as realistic. Too risky to come back for one game.


Originally Posted by Frazod:
It's a possibility that fits the present circumstances. Obviously I don't know. And I certainly hope that it's not the case.

Again, this could all be cleared up with an honest press conference. Ultimately, all that ****ing money in his pocket does come from us.
I guess but I cant see it, I hope he gets on the field soon so we can stop all this guessing shit.
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RippedmyFlesh 07:45 PM 11-05-2018
Originally Posted by Frazod:
This is one of the dumbest goddamn things I've ever seen posted here.

I'm not jealous of Berry - I just want him to DO HIS FUCKING JOB. The job he gets paid millions of dollars to do. Or at the very least, know why he can't.
I hate when people bring up jealous of money. The MIN salary is 400k so I think most of us here could squeak by on it. To some of us they ALL make a lot of money so it's about football not income jealousy.
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