Originally Posted by jd1020:
I don't worry about the Cardinals because for the last 2 years I've looked at the roster and seen absolutely nothing to replace the current core thats walking off into the sunset in the near future.
God help you if Martinez is a bullpen arm going forward and Reyes throws out his arm again.
But at the same time I don't feel the Cardinals gave up a damn thing for a guy who is a shoe-in for top 15 wRC+. Even if it is only for one year.
That's my point.
These are assets that could address an aging core. Instead we've doubled down on it and taken ourselves out of the running for a couple young guys in the process. In the near term we STILL aren't a threat for the division. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
That's my point.
These are assets that could address an aging core. Instead we've doubled down on it and taken ourselves out of the running for a couple young guys in the process. In the near term we STILL aren't a threat for the division.
This trade should at the very least move things along with Jose Martinez who likely has a ton more value than anything the Cardinals gave up for Goldschmidt. There is no place to put Martinez even as a backup now unless they are going to continue the outfield experiment which would be hilarious. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marco Polo:
I’m really hoping this doesn’t take us out of the running for Harper. Mo needs to double down and go for it.
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It shouldn’t, but of course it will. Like I mentioned earlier I can live with cringing on every Carp throw across the diamond next summer if it means we added Goldy AND Harper. [Reply]
Would you rather they add nothing? And let's not act like Harper is without risk. All these moves have downside. I'm tired of this team overrating its prospects. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
These guys were going to be worth even less in another few years, and even if it's 1 year, you get a first round pick to offset his departure.
Originally Posted by VAChief:
It shouldn’t, but of course it will. Like I mentioned earlier I can live with cringing on every Carp throw across the diamond next summer if it means we added Goldy AND Harper.
Carp defensively at 3B and Fowler in RF?:-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
It'll be a comp B pick; effectively a 3rd, IIRC.
Same as we got for Lynn.
He'll turn down the QO and get more than $50 guaranteed. Your own projection as comparable to JD Martinez, minus the value of the QO, far, far exceeds $50 million. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
He'll turn down the QO and get more than $50 guaranteed. Your own projection as comparable to JD Martinez, minus the value of the QO, far, far exceeds $50 million.
I didn't think that mattered at our revenue level. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
He'll turn down the QO and get more than $50 guaranteed. Your own projection as comparable to JD Martinez, minus the value of the QO, far, far exceeds $50 million.
Teams that are receiving revenue sharing funds and lose a player who turned down a QO get a pick between round 1 and comp A picks if the player signs a contract over $50 million.
The Cardinals aren't in the revenue sharing group.
Teams that lose a player who turned down a QO and the team wasnt over the luxury tax will receive a pick after comp B picks no matter how much the player signed for. 75-80 range pick. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Nightengale says they're out on Machado and Harper.
So go 2nd wild card spot.
maybe he is right just this once.
#STLCards offseason priorities now shift to improving their bullpen and adding a left-handed bench player. They still have substantial financial flexibility, but I'm told Bryce Harper is not a target.
