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Washington DC and The Holy Land>How long will trump's embarrassing refusal to concede continue?
RodeoPants2 01:11 PM 11-11-2020
He's behind by

MI - 149,000 votes
NV - 37,000 votes and growing
WI - 21,000 votes pending a recount
PA - 47,000 votes and growing
AZ - 13,000 votes and shrinking (but not shrinking fast enough)
GA - 14,000 votes pending a recount

Edit - he needs at least 3 of these to change to flip the electoral college; it's not happening.

Recounts change totals on the order of hundreds, not thousands, and his time is up.

Results need to be certified end of November
Electors vote on 12/14.

When does trump give up this hopeless fight?
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2112 04:32 AM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by patteeu:
Hopefully the country’s institutions are capable of withstanding 4 years of a Biden presidency.
:-) he won’t last that long. Dementia or death will take care of him long before 2024. President Kamala will be appointed president and then, finally, we can get rid of the evil police and get proper bail reform and raise taxes for everybody.
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Baby Lee 04:42 AM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
He’s devalued and sowed doubt in the democratic process in the eyes of many and there may be a price to pay for that down the road.
Like so many other things, he didn't 'sow' anything that wasn't already rampant weeds everywhere.

There is plenty of doubt in the democratic processes, from many many sides. Mail-in ballots, computer tabulation and verification, these are countered just as strongly by the passionate assertion that any attempt at eligibility verification is racist and marginalizing. That's why openness, thoroughness and transparency are so important, much more important than a concocted premature narrative of conclusion.
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Loneiguana 06:10 AM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by Bob Dole:
Because Republicans are the people burning stuff.

Dummy.
Instead, they are openly threatening vote counters.
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Merde Furieux 06:21 AM 11-12-2020

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patteeu 09:13 AM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by cosmo20002:
Yes, you are.

Everyone knows he has the same rights as Gore. WTF does that have to do with anything? Having the right to do something doesn't mean you should do it.

The 2000 Florida vote was so close it triggered automatic recounts. Most of the litigation had to do with how to count the several different types of fucked-up ballots they had. They weren't based on what someone heard someone else say about whether truckloads of fake ballots were being brought in. It was a result with a difference of a few hundred. There were real, reasonable issues there.

Today's issue has to do with states that are 15,000 to 150,000 difference. Other than GA being close enough to trigger an automatic recount, the only "issues" are stuff based on unsubstantiated bullshit being spread on twitter and pushed by Trump. It's such BS that even if it was correct, it still wouldn't be enough votes to matter. And you're clapping for it.
Trump has the same rights as Al Gore. There’s no reason to freak out.
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patteeu 09:15 AM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
Wrong.
:-) Yeah, right.
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oldandslow 09:21 AM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by patteeu:
Trump has the same rights as Al Gore. There’s no reason to freak out.
...I thought Gore was wrong - even tho I voted for him. And I am not freaking out. The fact remains however, that the transition needs to go forward.
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Merde Furieux 09:33 AM 11-12-2020
recounts can identify where physical counts differ from tabulated total, which might catch software fraud.
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cosmo20002 09:45 AM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by patteeu:
Trump has the same rights as Al Gore.
Not in dispute
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RodeoPants2 10:16 AM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by patteeu:
:-) Yeah, right.

How many electoral votes do you think Biden winds up with?
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patteeu 10:23 AM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
How many electoral votes do you think Biden winds up with?
Most likely all of them that you think he has now.

How many store owners boarded their windows and painted MAGA or on them versus how many painted a pro BLM message hoping to avoid post-election violence?
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Iowanian 10:29 AM 11-12-2020
How quickly will Democrats accept and concede once it's shown that Biden is ahead due to fraud and Trump is POTUS?
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RodeoPants2 11:01 AM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by patteeu:
Most likely all of them that you think he has now.

How many store owners boarded their windows and painted MAGA or on them versus how many painted a pro BLM message hoping to avoid post-election violence?

Ah, unlike trump I’m comfortable quickly and unequivocally disavowing the handful of criminals seeking to co-opt peaceful protests for their own gain. So they are not part of my movement.

For trumps part, we all see what he does.
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patteeu 11:03 AM 11-12-2020
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
Ah, unlike trump I’m comfortable quickly and unequivocally disavowing the handful of criminals seeking to co-opt peaceful protests for their own gain. So they are not part of my movement.

For trumps part, we all see what he does.
Trump doesn’t have that problem either.

But again, regardless of whether you approve of the widespread violence of the left this year, it dwarfed violence from the right.
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Merde Furieux 11:23 AM 11-12-2020
“REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.” @ChanelRion @OANN

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 12, 2020
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