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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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petegz28 09:20 AM 11-22-2020
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
But...but....but.....
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Donger 09:23 AM 11-22-2020
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball:
You've never answered one your entire time here
Completely wrong, but that seems to be what you do.
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petegz28 09:23 AM 11-22-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
I hope you realize you are doing more harm than good by minimizing masks , i am sure what you are trying to accomplish, wearing masks during a pandemic is going to help more than hurt people, maybe it can be hard to quantify by how much , but just because you can’t comprehend this fact doesn’t mean you should be affecting people who could be helped.
Yeah, I can't comprehend it. The data shows clearly in Kansas anyway that counties with mask mandates saw bigger increases in cases than without mandates. If you read the article it states people wore masks in the counties that did not have mandates.

But you have to appeal to emotion here because you don't like the data.

Originally Posted by :
Mask usage is another variable. Just because a county didn’t impose a mandate doesn’t mean that no one in the county wore a mask; by the same token, having a mandate doesn’t mean that everyone wore a mask.
Talk about not comprehending....
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Donger 09:26 AM 11-22-2020
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
And?
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O.city 09:26 AM 11-22-2020
I wouldn’t take “self reported” studies as that the most accurate.
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BigRedChief 09:27 AM 11-22-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
I hope you realize you are doing more harm than good by minimizing masks , i am sure what you are trying to accomplish, wearing masks during a pandemic is going to help more than hurt people, maybe it can be hard to quantify by how much , but just because you can’t comprehend this fact doesn’t mean you should be affecting people who could be helped.
Its a totally ridiculous argument. Its all about their identity. People can "believe" masks don't work, thats an opinion, everyone has one. But, thats not science.

Wearing masks helps slow the spread of the covid virus in our communities. That's a proven scientific fact.
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O.city 09:27 AM 11-22-2020
Originally Posted by loochy:
So August then?
If they can vaccinate that many paired with the rate we’re having infections, wel be there sooner than that

Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if we aren’t there by January at this rate
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displacedinMN 09:29 AM 11-22-2020
State making money on 'sin taxes' during covid

Annie Santos headed to the store for some emergency supplies after a distressing message from her children’s school.

“We just got the e-mail from school saying, ‘We’re switching to distance learning,’ ” Santos said, laughing in the parking lot of the St. Paul Haskell’s. “So I’m like, I’m going to go get wine.”

Stressed-out parents are pouring themselves an extra glass. Workers stuck at home are breaking up the monotony with more frequent smoke breaks or punctuating the day with a post-work beer. And people seeking a little excitement — or avoiding casinos — are rushing to the lottery and pulltabs as a welcome distraction.

Minnesotans’ extra spending on those vices is adding up.

State revenue from the so-called “sin taxes” was nearly $37 million more than predicted in July through September. Tobacco tax dollars alone were $20 million more than anticipated, and collections from some types of gambling, like pulltabs and bingo, were double what was expected.

The growth in revenue in these areas comes as the pandemic has hurt many businesses, nonprofits and families across the state, leaving the state with a projected deficit of $2.3 billion over the two-year budget cycle.

It is not just Minnesotans who are indulging. Sin taxes are an area where pandemic-rattled state budgets appear to be holding strong across the country, said Brian Sigritz with the National Association of State Budget Officers. As governors and legislatures scramble for options to shore up massive budget gaps, Sigritz said he expects more states will consider increased sin taxes as well as legalizing sports betting and recreational marijuana. Minnesota has not legalized either of those, but the proposals have been floated in years past.

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House DFL Tax Committee Chairman Paul Marquart rejected the idea of increased taxes on tobacco, alcohol or gambling. He said he opposes any regressive taxes that hit poor people harder. His Senate counterpart, GOP Tax Chairman Roger Chamberlain, declined to comment. A spokesman for Democratic Gov. Tim Walz said it is too soon to weigh in on the subject, and the governor has not yet discussed raising those taxes. However, Walz and House DFL leaders support legalizing recreational marijuana.

As state leaders are trying to figure out how to weather the pandemic, so are Minnesotans. People are grappling with losing family members or their jobs and struggling with the emotional and logistical challenges of social distancing.

Lance Klatt, executive director of the state Service Station and Convenience Store Association, said he suspects the rise in lottery and tobacco sales is due to Minnesotans seeking a diversion during a year of deep uncertainty.

“When people are just stressed out, they turn to tobacco and alcohol to get through it,” Klatt said. “Maybe people said, ‘Hey, if I’m going to socialize, I’m going to do it at home and smoke a cigar or smoke cigarettes.’ ”

Customers at Twones Tobacco in St. Paul have told manager Emrah Kadric there are just fewer things to do so they are using their vape pens, chewing tobacco or other products more often. Kadric said he isn’t seeing a lot of new customers, but the usual people are buying more. He estimated sales have been up 20% during the pandemic.

Jordan Scott has been an on-and-off cigarette smoker. The Minneapolis resident started back up since he’s been working from home.

“It’s easier to go out for more breaks,” Scott said. He’s also buying more alcohol and “cracking that first one open a little earlier than before.”

However, he said his liquor store purchases have increased largely because he doesn’t go out to drink anymore.

“I haven’t gone out to a bar since they really all shut down in March,” Scott said.

From July through September, the state netted roughly $2.5 million more in alcohol tax revenue than expected.

“It’s a faster pace, there’s no doubt about it,” said Brent Gregoire, manager of the Haskell’s liquor store. “They are buying a little more, less frequently. They make a little bit bigger purchase so they don’t have to go out as much.”

People are not just spending more than anticipated on booze, tobacco and gambling. Sales tax revenue in general was 26% higher than predicted for July through September, with the federal unemployment insurance payments helping buoy spending, state economist Laura Kalambokidis said.

An extra $20 million in tobacco taxes and $2.5 million from alcohol sounds small when total state revenue for the year is about $21 billion. But the state is facing a multibillion-dollar hole for the current two-year budget and a bigger shortfall in the years after that, Kalambokidis said.

“What look like relatively small revenue sources all matter,” Kalambokidis said. “A $20 million program could be extremely important to quite a number of Minnesotans.”

The biggest revenue surprise, Kalambokidis said, was the jump in lawful gambling, which includes pulltabs, bingo and raffles.

State budget officials predicted they would get $9.5 million in tax revenue from that type of gambling in July through September. They got more than $21 million.

Pulltabs made up 94.5% of lawful gambling sales last year. While electronic pulltabs are growing in popularity, the old-school paper ones common in bars across the state account for most sales.

The popularity of lawful gambling has climbed over the past decade, said Gary Danger, a compliance officer for the Minnesota Gambling Control Board. They were preparing for March to be their biggest month ever, then halfway through the month, Walz shut down bars and restaurants. There was a pent-up demand when things reopened in June.

“Things have come back bigger than ever,” Danger said.

Like pulltabs, Minnesota lottery purchases have been growing for years. But 2020 has been a significant jump, state lottery Executive Director Adam Prock said. In July through September the state’s lottery sales were up 25% to nearly $181 million, compared to the same time last year.

Klatt, who represents the gas station and convenience stores, said they are likely selling more scratch-offs and other lottery games because people are not going to the casinos as much.

Prock said customers tell them it is a way to bring a little fun into another night at home.

“People say, ‘Well, my husband and I don’t do puzzles. We buy a few dollars in lottery tickets and it’s become our Friday night thing,’ ” Prock said. “We’re filling that niche right now.”
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petegz28 09:30 AM 11-22-2020
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Its a totally ridiculous argument. Its all about their identity. People can "believe" masks don't work, thats an opinion, everyone has one. But, thats not science.

Wearing masks help slow the spread of the covid virus in our communities. That's a proven scientific fact.
I see you suffer the same problem as he did. The article was about mask mandates. Not masks. :-)

And assuming everyone wore masks in the counties that mandates them then you would be wrong about your scientific fact. Otherwise you twats might actually read what is said and not what you want it to say.
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Donger 09:32 AM 11-22-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I see you suffer the same problem as he did. The article was about mask mandates. Not masks. :-)

And assuming everyone wore masks in the counties that mandates them then you would be wrong about your scientific fact.
Have you changed your opinion on the effectiveness of masks to help reduce the spread of COVID-19?
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petegz28 09:32 AM 11-22-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
If they can vaccinate that many paired with the rate we’re having infections, wel be there sooner than that

Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if we aren’t there by January at this rate
They need to start shoving needles in some of these people starting yesterday.
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petegz28 09:33 AM 11-22-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Have you changed your opinion on the effectiveness of masks to help reduce the spread of COVID-19?
And Donger quickly moves the goal posts.....:-)
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Donger 09:35 AM 11-22-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
And Donger quickly moves the goal posts.....:-)
Not at all. I'm just curious if you still have the same opinion as you did back when all this started. Do you?
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loochy 09:35 AM 11-22-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
If they can vaccinate that many paired with the rate we’re having infections, wel be there sooner than that

Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if we aren’t there by January at this rate

So you know that about 75% of people in the middle of the country will decline vaccination, right?
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petegz28 09:36 AM 11-22-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Not at all. I'm just curious if you still have the same opinion as you did back when all this started. Do you?
Sure you are...
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