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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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dirk digler 06:58 AM 05-11-2020
South Korea and China are both locking back down in some respects after more cases emerged over the weekend. This is going to be the dance card until we get therapeutics and a vaccine.
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Monticore 06:59 AM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I'm at a hospital right now and it's dead. Normally super packed. Eerie seeing things like this.

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My hospital is super quiet , we have cut hours etc.. event though we are still open for outpatient procedures, some of that has to do with patients not wanting to go anywhere near a hospital right now or the lockdowns doing its job but I wouldn't want to trade places with somebody at Toronto General ICU right now.

Toronto general has 417 beds with only 23 ICU beds + whatever they have in ER so yes a small portion of the hospital will be busy but allowing any other part of the hospital to get busy will put that small portion at increased risk of being overwhelmed , Pulmonologist and specialist and trained staff that can deal with this can't just be taken from other departments.
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BigCatDaddy 07:04 AM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
We may as well shut them all down them since we don't look they are needed.
Fortunately locally we opened back up. I think I saw hospitals in Missouri lost 1 billion in April.
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limested 07:09 AM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
South Korea and China are both locking back down in some respects after more cases emerged over the weekend. This is going to be the dance card until we get therapeutics and a vaccine.
People keep talking about a vaccine for this. How many vaccines are currently in existence for any kind of Coronavirus?
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Monticore 07:13 AM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Fortunately locally we opened back up. I think I saw hospitals in Missouri lost 1 billion in April.
Some people are saying Hospitals are making a big deal/pumping up the numbers etc.. I can't see hospitals doing that for the fact they would be making way more money without having to deal with these patients.
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Monticore 07:14 AM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by limested:
People keep talking about a vaccine for this. How many vaccines are currently in existence for any kind of Coronavirus?
They had some in the works for SARS but they were never pursued because it died out, we have had no other reason to create one before this.

I don't want to make it sound like I am for lockdowns I just don't want to have to go back to square one if we fuck this up .
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Kidd Lex 07:17 AM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by limested:
People keep talking about a vaccine for this. How many vaccines are currently in existence for any kind of Coronavirus?
Do the research. 80% chance the Oxford vaccine works, plus there are many many other strong candidates, add in the slow mutation of this particular coronavirus and we will have a vaccine. The trick is getting it to 7 billion people before a meaningful mutation that renders it useless, although this is all logistics not science. The science to accomplish the vaccine according to top experts is done. Trials to prove they are safe and effective are underway. Best case scenario we get a patch or nasal administered vaccine by years end that doesn’t require refrigeration and can be mass produced.
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limested 07:40 AM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis:
Do the research. 80% the Oxford vaccine works, plus there are many many other strong candidates, add in the slow mutation of this particular coronavirus and we will have a vaccine. The trick is getting it to 7 billion people before a meaningful mutation that renders it useless, although this is all logistics not science. The science to accomplish the vaccine according to top experts is done. Trials to prove they are safe and effective are underway. Best case scenario we get a patch or nasal administered vaccine by years end that doesn’t require refrigeration and can be mass produced.
I really hope I never have to rely on your research since you are apparently bad at it. The Oxford trial was started two weeks ago so you cannot come to the conclusion that it is 80% effective.

That 80% is also a hopeful quote by one of the Professors not an actual success rate.

Originally Posted by :
Professor Sarah Gilbert's team hopes for an 80 percent success rate, and plans to produce one million doses by September, with the aim of making it widely available by the autumn if successful.

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Kidd Lex 08:06 AM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by limested:
I really hope I never have to rely on your research since you are apparently bad at it. The Oxford trial was started two weeks ago so you cannot come to the conclusion that it is 80% effective.

That 80% is also a hopeful quote by one of the Professors not an actual success rate.
The researchers believe it has a 80% chance of success. I didn’t come to any conclusion it’s 80% effective, what a worthless ****ing vaccine. It’s also one of many underway.

Here’s a link to one of the researchers discussing it:

https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1258931205203877888?s=21

Now the research I think you need to do is in this thread. Watch the actual scientists who work on vaccines talk about the science of this particular coronavirus, I don’t have that link but it’s in here and it’s fascinating and very positive. The science on a vaccine is mostly if not all done. Now it’s proving safety and efficacy, then logistics and delivery. You can have a negative outlook all you want, the science says we are on our way to a vaccine.
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Kidd Lex 08:21 AM 05-11-2020
More excellent research shared by contributors to this thread:

Fascinating lecture, shows promising reasons why “we’ve never had a coronavirus vaccine” is a poor argument:

https://youtu.be/xUuLDLY1wMU

Michael Farzan (SARS ACE2 discoverer) Scripps lecture:
HIV is a genius, Flu is an honors student, SARS-COV-2 "flunked Immunology 101." Exposes key antibody sites - very vulnerable to conventional vaccines. Evolves very slowly because genome so large. Vaccine today works tomorrow
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KCChiefsFan88 08:55 AM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by limested:
People keep talking about a vaccine for this. How many vaccines are currently in existence for any kind of Coronavirus?
Zero.

The human coronavirus was discovered 60 years ago and there has never been an effective/scalable vaccine developed.

SARS, MERS, the common cold... no scalable/effective vaccine and no vaccine that has ever been approved by the FDA.
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Mecca 08:55 AM 05-11-2020
https://www.newsweek.com/nfl-coronav...spread-1503110

That's what I wanted to read this morning let me tell ya.
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Donger 09:03 AM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
https://www.newsweek.com/nfl-coronav...spread-1503110

That's what I wanted to read this morning let me tell ya.
"I would think that if there is an infected football player on the field—a middle linebacker, a tackle, whoever it is it—as soon as they hit the next guy, the chances are that they will be shedding virus all over that person. If you really want to be in a situation where you want to be absolutely certain, you'd test all the players before the game."

Sounds like a new penalty will have to be established.

"Intentional shedding! 15 yards!"
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Donger 09:20 AM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis:
More excellent research shared by contributors to this thread:

Fascinating lecture, shows promising reasons why “we’ve never had a coronavirus vaccine” is a poor argument:

https://youtu.be/xUuLDLY1wMU

Michael Farzan (SARS ACE2 discoverer) Scripps lecture:
HIV is a genius, Flu is an honors student, SARS-COV-2 "flunked Immunology 101." Exposes key antibody sites - very vulnerable to conventional vaccines. Evolves very slowly because genome so large. Vaccine today works tomorrow
Great link. Thanks for sharing that.
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SAUTO 09:29 AM 05-11-2020
so... i guess no one wants to discuss the MLB tests now?
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