Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Link to an interesting article about a couple of drugs that are being tested with some success. There's an interesting YouTube on it as well.
On a personal note, I use Zicam when I'm coming down with something (the lozenges, not the pills). The Zinc keeps influenza from absorbing into your throat and respiratory tract as successfully. This is being offered up by some people as a prophylactic to covid-19. I'm going to try it.
Originally Posted by fan4ever:
Link to an interesting article about a couple of drugs that are being tested with some success. There's an interesting YouTube on it as well.
On a personal note, I use Zicam when I'm coming down with something (the lozenges, not the pills). The Zinc keeps influenza from absorbing into your throat and respiratory tract as successfully. This is being offered up by some people as a prophylactic to covid-19. I'm going to try it.
Based on my experience, zinc works wonders. My GF had the flu, she was out for the count for 4 days. I loaded up on zinc for 4 days. My flu-like symptoms only lasted about 24 hrs to 36 hrs.
Maybe it's placebo. I don't know. Maybe my immune system is just stronger than normal and zinc has nothing to do with it. But that is my experience. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Except for when I said "just carrying on with your daily life like nothing is happening will get you shot in the chest instead of the back. This is here, things are different, act like it."
Of course I have said that there are people who are being irresponsible and selfish. There are ALWAYS people who are irresponsible and selfish. Everywhere. The answer for that is the same as it is for everyone that's being an asshole, you publicly shame them until they stop. And frankly, that requires public buy in. And if you want to lose that buy-in, just keep getting more and more extreme for longer and longer. See where that takes you.
But no, for a disease that will leave 80% of the infected unharmed (and thus likely 90% of the population), I'm not going to say "extreme measures must be taken" and start talking about putting troops on American soil to enforce federal mandates. That's batshit insane and its born of the very "well it's simply impossible for us to overreact" mindset that has taken over for far too many people.
I think if your Grandparents or parents died from this virus you might have a different viewpoint.
Even if most are unharmed with how big the population of USA is if it continues to spread it will overwhelm our healthcare system. Maybe you don't think that's a big deal in response I really don't know what to say. [Reply]
Originally Posted by MagicHef:
Why did Hubei get hit so much harder than the rest of China? The lockdown they implemented was just Hubei, I believe.
Probably could have worded this better. My real question is why is China, outside of Hubei, doing so well? 1.35 billion people, right next to the outbreak source, and they have fewer deaths than France. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Based on my experience, zinc works wonders. My GF had the flu, she was out for the count for 4 days. I loaded up on zinc for 4 days. My flu-like symptoms only lasted about 24 hrs to 36 hrs.
Maybe it's placebo. I don't know. Maybe my immune system is just stronger than normal and zinc has nothing to do with it. But that is my experience.
Unlike a lot of nontraditional remedies it's clinically proven. I'm going to the store in a few hours; it'll be interesting to see if there's been a run on the stuff. [Reply]
Originally Posted by MagicHef:
Probably could have worded this better. My real question is why is China, outside of Hubei, doing so well? 1.35 billion people, right next to the outbreak source, and they have fewer deaths than France.
Perhaps they aren’t truthful with the numbers [Reply]
Originally Posted by MagicHef:
Probably could have worded this better. My real question is why is China, outside of Hubei, doing so well? 1.35 billion people, right next to the outbreak source, and they have fewer deaths than France.
Maybe they're not disclosing what is really going on there? :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Raiderhader:
Props to DJLN being one of the few voices of sanity and realism in this thread.
I think our President and many of the Governors who have more information than any of us could ever hope to have on the subject would disagree. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
I think our President and many of the Governors who have more information than any of us could ever hope to have on the subject would disagree.
Yeah, because politicians are soooo trustworthy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
I think if your Grandparents or parents died from this virus you might have a different viewpoint.
Even if most are unharmed with how big the population of USA is if it continues to spread it will overwhelm our healthcare system. Maybe you don't think that's a big deal in response I really don't know what to say.
And if your mom gets shot in a robbery they won't let you on the perpetrator's jury.
You don't advocate policy positions from personal loss or hardship. You have to maintain your cool, understand all consequences and work from there.
And 'our healthcare system' is not national. It's local. So long as the spread continues to behave here as it's behaved everywhere, it won't be a national immediate outbreak. It will continue to be a series of localized outbreaks that will need to be dealt with on a localized basis. SF having its hand full right now does NOTHING to impact capacity in Columbia, MO. And when it gets here, it's not going to be hospital beds in SF that determine the outcomes in Columbia.
So effectuating an immediate national lockdown and putting the clamps on thousands of communities that have not been in any way impacted by it right now will immediately start the 'fuck this' clock and you'll be burning time, good will and buy-in for no reason in those communities. Then if/when it DOES get there, you have a populace of frayed, exhausted, fiscally and emotionally drained people who are simply done. They'll you'll still have your hospital collapse followed by a local populace that no longer has the buy-in or wherewithal to be as responsible as they'd have otherwise been.
This has to continue to be dealt with on a localized basis. These responses have to continue to be tailored. Surgery with a shotgun is the LAST thing we need. [Reply]
