Is that your punchable face in your avy?
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Is it punchable because Ivan is Guatamalan? You have such a loose argument going on that you can't even hide that it's bullshit.
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Dude, there's more to police brutality than just murder statistics. I've seen cops pull black people out of cars and club the shit out of them. I've seen them shove them to the ground when they weren't resisting. Where are the stats for things like that? Does it even get reported if nobody gets it on camera?

And wouldn't you agree that it's doubtful that the murder statistics are accurate? I mean, seeing how Police departments behave when the fucking things are caught on camera? How do you think it goes when it's not?

And if you think these protests are only about George Floyd, you're way off base. It's about Breonna Taylor, and Ahmaud Armery (not active police that shot him) and everyone that came before, and ALL of the racist bullshit that community has to tolerate on a daily basis. It's ALL CONNECTED. You're trying to separate something that is a part of a SYSTEMIC problem. You can't. One way you could look at these protests is this: It's like the black community is saying, " And on top of EVERYTHING, you all can just murder us on camera and get away with it!" It's all connected, man. There's no separating it.

There are plenty of statistics in that massive dump of stats Twisted Chief dropped on you that indicate that those black kids you talk about are RIGHT to be taught to consider the Police a threat. You just don't want to admit that.

And there are so many videos of the cops being violent without cause during these riots in so many cities that I don't know what to tell you if you haven't seen it.

We have a fucking Police problem. It's a culture of violence. It's not a few bad apples. But we have a bigger systemic racism situation that is currently boiling over. The Police problem is the catalyst.
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Ice Cube. :-)
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Most cops are good people in a broken system. We've seen some incredible police chiefs who can't do anything because the union won't let them. Good cops get blamed for bad cops not getting held accountable and can't speak out for fear of retaliation. Here is a good starting point for conversation. You may not agree with all the points, but it at least provides ideas. Reasonable ideas.
https://www.joincampaignzero.org/

The huge one for me is broken windows policing. Let's start first with the US's obsession with incarceration which is outrageously higher than any country in the free world. Read up on the prison industrial complex and it backs everything youve said about the machine that enables this broken system.
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Its more of his strawman nonsense. "Racism exists and it sucks but oh well too bad that's how its gonna be" Yet he's got tons of "inner-city black friends" that have no problem with him thinking like that. All of us libtards have no idea what they think and actually offend them by saying racism is an issue, but they'll tell him all about their thoughts on race, police and the breakdown of the family :-)
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Now, here is a possible constructive conversation.

I agree that not all cops are bad, but there are more than a few bad apples, and there's a culture of not snitching that is about as bad as in the gangbangers.

Private Prisons are total bullshit; like all capitalist endeavors, it increases demand for product. In this case, prisoners are the product. So that's certainly one area where we could make a huge dent, we outlaw private prisons.

And you're spot on with the Police unions protecting these cops that are not worthy of wearing the uniform. It pains me as I am generally VERY pro union, but clearly this is a big problem. This 'thin blue line' of silence has got to stop. It's one area in which all four cops involved being arrested in Minneapolis might be a positive step. I'm sure it's happened before, but publicly holding them ALL responsible is a big message.

I don't agree with defunding Police entirely, but we sure as shit need to police where they're spending their budgets. The armored cars and military style weaponry is fucking ridiculous and not helping their image. I'd rather pay cops more, and screen applicants better than see any more of that bullshit.

Also, I think it used to be that cops had to live in the beat they worked. I'd like to see that again. I think a disconnect between the Police and the areas they police are part of the problem.
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“Libtards”

:-)

I’ve never even used that term. I couldn’t care less about politics.

You’re the idiot that continues to put words in my mouth with every post, but you have the nerve to talk about a “strawman” :-)
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Simple solution: accountability. I've read your posts before and if I remember you're a LEO. So, if a fellow officer were to kill someone wrongly then instead of that lawsuit being paid out via the taxpayers then have the LEO personally responsible, or even better have that money come out the retirement fund for the other LEO's. How soon would the "bad apples" in the force feel the heat if they had to deal with heat from everyone else whose pension (including yours) just got lighter....?
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Police should not investigate themselves. Other countries like Canada use panels made up of impartial community members. They also have frequent community meetings. We don't do that here. It's always been their way or the highway and that's exactly the kind of 1-way dialogue that leads to citizens frustrated about not being heard.
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I think those are really good ideas.
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I like that too.
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Absolutely. Camden implemented a pretty radical model. Will be interesting to see how it works. At the very least the police needs to become part of communities again, not just the bad guys knocking down doors. I am uncomfortable using the word defund police because if gladly have more resources put into community relations and training.
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Well alot of that has to do with the union. I work for a union myself so I'm almost always pro-union but I feel like they wield too much power. If they don't want to give any of it back then make them responsible for their members problems. I don't see it as police investigating themselves as much as its taking their words at heart. They say its a brotherhood and fraternal order, well then you are now responsible for your brothers mistakes. When that brother messes up other officers can help pay for it-as a group.
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