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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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BigRedChief 01:21 PM 03-18-2020
The most recent people who died in Italy, got the first symptoms 8 days ago and died today.
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FloridaMan88 01:22 PM 03-18-2020
Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP:
Italy uses draconian mandatory quarantine/shutdown measures with minimal success.

Meanwhile South Korea focused on testing and strategically targeting their mitigation actions with much greater success.

Quote from an infectious disease specialist in South Korea:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...et-its-success

Originally Posted by :
South Korea has emerged as a sign of hope and a model to emulate. The country of 50 million appears to have greatly slowed its epidemic; it reported only 74 new cases today, down from 909 at its peak on 29 February. And it has done so without locking down entire cities or taking some of the other authoritarian measures that helped China bring its epidemic under control. “South Korea is a democratic republic, we feel a lockdown is not a reasonable choice,” says Kim Woo-Joo, an infectious disease specialist at Korea University.
South Korea was able to successfully contain the virus in a measured way without destroying their economy and democratic way of life.
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suzzer99 01:23 PM 03-18-2020
Originally Posted by The Iron Chief:
Pretty horrible week for me on this subject honestly.
Some of you might have read the story I told in the Virus Tales thread about my son getting out of his Dorm in New Rochelle the night before the National guard moved in.

My son apparently had the virus approx 2 weeks ago now.
A doctor looked at many students and staff at IONA pronouncing the ones that should self quarantine..no tests on hand.
My son was told to self quarantine in his room.
So after it had passed my son was symptom free for three days prior to coming home we all felt we should keep him on a leash for another week.
Its not easy to completely self quarantine your 20 yr old son in his room.
So there was a small amount of interaction.

All is fine until about 4 days ago when I noticed a light cough & my breathing became a bit shallow.
I ask my wife and other son does anybody have a cough or anything?
They did not.
But here I sit the guy in the house that never gets sick feeling a bit shitty hard to breathe..
So I begin to wonder if the news is right & my son would've been contagious for at least 7 days after being home & like I said we did keep our distance.

Then my cough turned into aches..then laziness.. I'm not a Napper...but nap I did.
My son rattled off in order how the symptoms came when they left which ones stayed the longest.
It happened just as he said.

So will my wife(55) get it or my youngest is the question & I could be contagious for 10 days After the symptoms pass.

I wanted to add like you hear on TV a lot... I'm not feeling THAT bad..the Aches suck..cough is a little annoying.

So my Dad passed a few months back & my mom(78) is alone in a house in the boon docks & we don't dare put in a visit or help at the moment.
& yes we find people if she needs something but still.
The rest of my family lives hours away.

Then there is the economy.
Like many I'm not even going to look up any stocks or my 401k I'm dumb founded how much I've lost as so many have.
Yeah a yr from now it could be back..we'll see.

Then there is my work manager of a Red lobster.
The decision to go to take out only is idiotic.
I'm not saying I disagree with Shutting down but to go to takeout.
My store had to decide who to layoff who to schedule.
Now were learning there just isn't enough takeout to bring in anyone(hourlies). As we suspected would be the case.
So this morning we put out a text/Email letting everyone know not to report in.
It'll be unemployment for most.. the 64 million dollar question..is this going to be for one month or four?
One? Thats fine lets get on with this and see what happens.
Four to six months and I'll be more than worried for a whole lot of people across the Nation/World.

Then there is looking at how the different people are handling this.
Not good not good at all.
My area is ridiculous.. I walk my dog usually at night 8 ish..and lately it felt like it was midnight.
No traffic..nobody walking...as were walking my boys and I'll try to spot curtains or blinds being peeked thru.as they look at us like zombies....its hysteria.
Again I'm not a the virus is fake guy...but seeing what its reduced so many too ..it blows my mind.

Again I ramble..but if not here then where?:-)

My wife kicked me out of the garage and told me to go lay the **** down & rest drink fluids etc.. so here I sit and type..self quarantined in a county practically shutdown.

Oh & both my kids are home finishing their school yrs on the computers.
I saw something that said people could still be contagious for up to a month after symptoms at the outer end. 2 weeks seemed like the most likely window for most cases.

That said - by far the biggest problem is living in the house with someone. If they are remotely contagious it sounds almost impossible not to give it to everyone in the house. That's been the vector of like 80% of the spread - family clusters. China and S. Korea are immediately isolating anyone who tests positive. No self-isolation.
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suzzer99 01:26 PM 03-18-2020
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
The most recent people who died in Italy, got the first symptoms 8 days ago and died today.
5 day average for symptom onset. So that's 13 days. Italy locked down the whole country Friday a week ago I believe - 12 days ago.

But also with everyone locked inside, there's probably some lag time for them to give it to everyone else in the house.
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petegz28 01:26 PM 03-18-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
While true, we're not seeing many serious cases, while Italy is being overwhelmed by them. So it stands to reason that we still have far fewer cases, even if the difference probably isn't as great as the raw numbers make it seem.
The argument people make is we are going to have as many cases as Italy. We might. Probably will. The point I have tried to make from the start and as you have eluded to as well and as the raw numbers support, the outcome is much different in this country compared to Italy at this point.
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BWillie 01:35 PM 03-18-2020
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Yeah, depends on where you live. $65K is lower middle class here. Go an hour away towards Disney, 80% are getting minimum wage. So your location matters. Not just the amount of your salary.
Don't you live in Tampa? Doesn't seem like a massive difference. You need to make 66,774 to maintain your standard of living should you move from KC to Tampa and made 65,000.

https://www.bankrate.com/calculators...alculator.aspx

Tampa appears to be quite affordable compared to other metro areas.

https://theatlas.com/charts/Hyku8NP5-

While housing is a little more expensive in Tampa, median household income in KC is 66k while it is 54.9k in Tampa area.

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...ks-metro-area/

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...fl-metro-area/

A single person making 65k in both places would definitely be middle class to slightly a little higher even because they don't even have a partner income to account for.
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Dartgod 01:36 PM 03-18-2020
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
Oh no, none of that around here. This is a big pharma only community. Everyone else will be shot on site or harassed forever.
Chill, you're entering DC territory.
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O.city 01:36 PM 03-18-2020
IIRC, new cases are trending down in every country that's put these things in place about 14 days after, so Italy should be trending down on new cases.

So we should theoretically peak next weekend? Then hopefully go down.
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PAChiefsGuy 01:41 PM 03-18-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
IIRC, new cases are trending down in every country that's put these things in place about 14 days after, so Italy should be trending down on new cases.

So we should theoretically peak next weekend? Then hopefully go down.
Lol. Wishful thinking. I hope you are right but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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displacedinMN 01:42 PM 03-18-2020
Wife said Calif ordered a shelter in place order. Heard from working with people from there.

Any confirmation?
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wazu 01:43 PM 03-18-2020
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
Lol. Wishful thinking. I hope you are right but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
The last 4 days the new case rate for Italy has been flat.
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DaFace 01:44 PM 03-18-2020
Originally Posted by displacedinMN:
Wife said Calif ordered a shelter in place order. Heard from working with people from there.

Any confirmation?
I don't think it's statewide, but they started that in some areas (like San Francisco) yesterday.
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BryanBusby 01:44 PM 03-18-2020
Still have a job for today, but sure isn't fun knowing the layoff is coming any day now.
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displacedinMN 01:45 PM 03-18-2020
U of Iowa-virtual learning the rest of the semester
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FloridaMan88 01:48 PM 03-18-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
The argument people make is we are going to have as many cases as Italy. We might. Probably will. The point I have tried to make from the start and as you have eluded to as well and as the raw numbers support, the outcome is much different in this country compared to Italy at this point.
Italy is the 5th oldest country in the world. The United States is 61st in median age.

Italy has the 51st highest population density in the world. The United States is ranked 145th in population density.

Italy has a greater % of the higher risk population for COVID-19 and a more limited ability to social distance.
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