Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
I don't see how it's so hard to acknowledge that Dorsey drafted very well on offense but overall was awful at finding defensive talent.
Makes you wonder who is actually the person that is deciding such things. :-) [Reply]
So if Andy Reid is making the calls about who we draft then that leaves the GM to contract negotiating duty. Which Dorsey was absolutely fucking awful at. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
I don't see how it's so hard to acknowledge that Dorsey drafted very well on offense but overall was awful at finding defensive talent.
Dorsey was outstanding at drafting overall. If he had found more star players on defense and less on offense, you would be complaining about both offense and defense so it doesn't make any difference.
Dorsey definitly had more hits on offense but Jones, Ford, Peters, Nelson were all solid picks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Buckweath:
Dorsey was outstanding at drafting overall. If he had found more star players on defense and less on offense, you would be complaining about both offense and defense so it doesn't make any difference.
Dorsey definitly had more hits on offense but Jones, Ford, Peters, Nelson were all solid picks.
Peters is a head case and no longer here, and Steven Nelson is a JAG. The two defensive picks worth anything are Jones and Ford. 2 players in 5 or so years is not good. The current status of the secondary and the inside linebackers is due to constant scouting failures by the Chiefs on defense.Kpass, Russell, Gaines, etc. were awful draft picks. We actually found steals late in the draft on offense like Hill and LDT. We struck out on just about every single draft pick on defense outside of the first 2 rounds. The last late round find we had on defense was probably Brandon Carr in 2008. You can't go an entire decade without a single pick panning out from day 3.
By comparison, look at the LAC-
Jatavis Brown, 5th Rd 2016
Desmond King, 5th Rd 2017
Darius Philon, 6th Rd 2015
That's not necessarily a huge difference at first glance, but it helps immensely when coupled with early round picks like Ingram, Bosa, James, etc. We've found jack shit with our late round picks on defense. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
My problem with what they did was they used their 1st pick to take an OLB when they're ok there yet nothing on secondary till 4th round when that thing was a dumpster fire.
We were not okay at OLB. Not by any means.
Dee Ford just had a season on IR bc of his back and nobody knew what he was going to do. Justin Houston didn’t look completely right and it was known that we needed someone to develop behind him.
There were holes everywhere on this defense. Literally. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Buckweath:
Dorsey was outstanding at drafting overall. If he had found more star players on defense and less on offense, you would be complaining about both offense and defense so it doesn't make any difference.
Dorsey definitly had more hits on offense but Jones, Ford, Peters, Nelson were all solid picks.
Dorsey doesn’t get credit for Peters. He was 100% wrong about him on his character evaluation.
And as much as you won’t admit this, Andy Reid most likely played more of a part of finding our offensive players than Dorsey.
Andy was finding elite players in the draft in Philly without Dorsey. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
We were not okay at OLB. Not by any means.
Dee Ford just had a season on IR bc of his back and nobody knew what he was going to do. Justin Houston didn’t look completely right and it was known that we needed someone to develop behind him.
There were holes everywhere on this defense. Literally.
It’s amazing that people don’t understand this. We had no idea that Ford would stay healthy and take the next step as well as Houston playing the best football he’s played since he got his second contract. Not to mention Ford’s pending free agency.
OLB was a huge need going into the offseason. [Reply]
You guys can keep criticizing Dorsey when it comes to drafting but just watch, he is turning the Browns into a top team for years to come with again excellent drafting.
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Anytime people shit on Veach and praise Dorsey I always ask them the same question.
“What did Dorsey’s first draft produce on this day in his first year?”
The first big contract Dorsey gave out was a 5 year 56 million deal to Dwayne Bowe. Yikes. He made damn good use of the waiver wire and mid tier free agent signings, but even then he was botching the cap. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Buckweath:
You guys can keep criticizing Dorsey when it comes to drafting but just watch, he is turning the Browns into a top team for years to come with again excellent drafting.
Just take a seat and watch!
That's just what he does.
Cleveland had 4 picks in the first 35 including 2 in the top 5. Anyone on this site could nail a draft with those picks. Are you going to praise Mike Mayock as an amazing GM when he finds excellent talent with 3 first round picks?
The 2008 Chiefs had an amazing draft with Glenn Dorsey, Branden Albert, Brandon Flowers, Jamaal Charles, and Brandon Carr. Does that mean Carl Peterson was an excellent GM?
It's not hard to nail a draft with multiple high draft picks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
Cleveland had 4 picks in the first 35 including 2 in the top 5. Anyone on this site could nail a draft with those picks. Are you going to praise Mike Mayock as an amazing GM when he finds excellent talent with 3 first round picks?
The 2008 Chiefs had an amazing draft with Glenn Dorsey, Branden Albert, Brandon Flowers, Jamaal Charles, and Brandon Carr. Does that mean Carl Peterson was an excellent GM?
It's not hard to nail a draft with multiple high draft picks.
Not really the Dorsey picked ended up sucking and Carr was a late pick that turned out great, you get credit for that one.
The 3rd and 5th rounders you listed there were better than the 1's. [Reply]
